"Bank of Southwest" has restricted TTF withdrawals effective April 29, 2011
Jul 18, 2010, 12:35 pm
#46
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Anybody that has a family and is "in the game" on how the CURRENT system works definitely takes it on the chin with this change. All of those last minute book it and change your mind trips are out the window.
I use heavily for 8 family members including 3 away at college with schedules constantly changing
This is a bad move on WN's part - This will absolutely change my current allegiance with WN.
I use heavily for 8 family members including 3 away at college with schedules constantly changing
This is a bad move on WN's part - This will absolutely change my current allegiance with WN.
Only time will tell if better for Southwest. Many stores have been attempting to eliminate " undesirable" ( BestBuy's wording) customers by changing return policy, price match policy. coupon policy etc. Some have been success and some not.
To me, this is what Southwest is doing
Jul 18, 2010, 1:34 pm
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Anybody else wondering if this means January 28, 2011 will also be the effective date of RR 2.0? If not, why such a seemingly random date?
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Jul 18, 2010, 2:00 pm
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Taxes, security fees, and passenger facility charges associated with a nonrefundable fare are also not eligible for refund.
Jul 18, 2010, 3:24 pm
#49
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January 28 could be a planned mini schedule extension. It is exactly 3 weeks past the current date.
Jul 18, 2010, 4:13 pm
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Why can you not imagine less than six months notice for 2.0?
They changed the former six months notice rule back on June 8, 2007, effective December 8, 2007.
My impression is they are very anxious to make the switch and will do so as soon as possible once IT has everything ready.
The CoC, OTOH, requires no advance notice of changes, but this TTF rule change was made with six to seven months notice. If the primary motivation had been merely to put it beyond the current booking window, January 8th would have worked.
ETA: In any event, the Q2 conference call is July 29. They could announce RR 2.0 then, or that week, and it would be six months notice.
40. Southwest Airlines reserves the right to amend, suspend, or terminate this program at any time, with 30 days’ notice.
My impression is they are very anxious to make the switch and will do so as soon as possible once IT has everything ready.
The CoC, OTOH, requires no advance notice of changes, but this TTF rule change was made with six to seven months notice. If the primary motivation had been merely to put it beyond the current booking window, January 8th would have worked.
ETA: In any event, the Q2 conference call is July 29. They could announce RR 2.0 then, or that week, and it would be six months notice.
Last edited by ftnoob; Jul 18, 2010 at 4:23 pm Reason: As noted
Jul 18, 2010, 4:45 pm
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I could have sworn I read a post here saying RR 2.0 won't occur in 2011. With all of WNs IT troubles of late, when they do make RR 2.0 live, it won't work.
Originally Posted by ftnoob
Anybody else wondering if this means January 28, 2011 will also be the effective date of RR 2.0? If not, why such a seemingly random date?
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Jul 18, 2010, 6:34 pm
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Jul 18, 2010, 9:21 pm
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Jul 18, 2010, 9:36 pm
#56
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Is there a reason why you weren't just taking refunds in the first place? I really don't see why you would accept credit over a refund when the refund option is available in any situation (not just WN specific). I'd much rather have cash (credit on my CC) than have to keep track of a bunch of codes that are only worth a couple of bucks.
Jul 19, 2010, 3:02 am
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I guess this will cut back on the amount of these issued for sale on Ebay, CL, etc.... which protects WN revenue. Will it cost WN some revenue? I think it will.. but not enough to offset the gains they will realize when is becomes impossible for others to sell WN TTF's.
Jul 19, 2010, 6:05 am
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WN is not at all the most convenient way to get across the country. Until now, WN has been the first choice for my relatives because of full re-usability of funds. I booked their travel and they reimbursed me at the time of the trip.
Now I will have to look at nonstops on other carriers, starting with JetBlue. Better flight at the same price, and equivalent 100% penalty if you travel less than once per year.
Now I will have to look at nonstops on other carriers, starting with JetBlue. Better flight at the same price, and equivalent 100% penalty if you travel less than once per year.
Jul 19, 2010, 10:20 am
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What will happen with LUV vouchers? If those become non-transferable it makes VDB much less appealing. If they remain transferable, reissuing funds for the $50 fee restores some transferability to TTF...unless that whole process changes.
Jul 19, 2010, 10:42 am
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WN is not at all the most convenient way to get across the country. Until now, WN has been the first choice for my relatives because of full re-usability of funds. I booked their travel and they reimbursed me at the time of the trip.
Now I will have to look at nonstops on other carriers, starting with JetBlue. Better flight at the same price, and equivalent 100% penalty if you travel less than once per year.
Now I will have to look at nonstops on other carriers, starting with JetBlue. Better flight at the same price, and equivalent 100% penalty if you travel less than once per year.
It's had to call this a 100% equivalent penalty if you fly less than once a year. A family trip that gets put off for a day, month, or even 364 days later could end with the family still flying on the original funds, with no new money needed.
And still superior to Jetblue (no contest): Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK with Jetblue, if a family or business traveller misses a flight and want to fly even the next day, you'd be purchasing a new ticket, resulting in the fare being doubled.
That being said, I'm still not happy with this change because as family travel planner, I'm going to have to match up funds so each passenger has their own spreadsheet page/bucket of $$; instead of me using a global spreadsheet and bucket of $$.