DontCallMeShirley

Exactly. F/A's are unable to enforce "No seat saving" as there is no policy against it. So those that do, have "gone rogue" in an attempt to allow those that actually PAID THEIR EXTRA MONEY for a shot to sit in a good seat might actually get one. If you are saving seats, essentially you have stolen value from other pax tickets.

judolphin

How do you know I'm unwilling? I have bought EBCI for my wife before, just to make sure she doesn't get high B or C. And really, anyone who expects anything more from EBCI is kidding themselves.

I think it's an incredibly tiresome, academic argument that has no bearing on real life when you actually fly. If you buy EBCI, you are guaranteed to get a window or aisle seat somewhere in the first dozen rows (there are 48 such seats). If you don't buy it and are not A-List, you run the risk of being B59 or C18 if you're not at a computer at T-24. That is a clear benefit to EBCI, and those lamenting that it's useless because of someone saving a seat or two, and those talking lawsuit against WN if they trip while climbing over a seat saver's legs, make me laugh.

judolphin

As someone else said, board after A-60 -- "Family Boarding"

And for the record, here's a non-FF who considers those begrudging seat saving for family "rude people". That is the normal sentiment, the vast majority sentiment, even if you disagree with it. This is why I consider arguing against seat-saving so academic: you're probably one of 2 people on the plane out of 137 who is miffed about it. It's not a battle you'll win.

sheepherder

I really don't think the issue is seat saving but "best seat saving."

How many people would get upset about a couple of seats saved in row 20.

pinworm

Oh, I fly 4 times a week...but not on WN. I HATE WN..for this issue and others. I fly WN when I have no choice, usually because of routing or time. I will always pick USAirways or Jet Blue as my LCC or a "legacy" where possible. I don't fly WN enough each yearly to earn A-list, but I will use EBCI when I do fly them.

smmrfld

Then stop participating. You've made clear that you find this non-important, so why do you keep egging it on with amateur psychology, speculative statistics, and presumptive knowledge of the thoughts and motivations of WN pax?

judolphin

Using the ignore button is preferable to telling someone else to stop participating on a message board.

starflyer

Translation: When someone tells you they're saving a seat, ignore them rather than telling them to stop saving seats.@:-)

USAF1

Looking at some of the replies here, I think that this thread should be titled, "Lack of common passenger courtesy is becoming an epidemic." The OP is only addressing a symptom of the epidemic. Why stop at seat saving? How about line skippers, pre-board "disability" liars, indifferent GA's unable or afraid to enforce rules, and any COS pax who threatens a lawsuit anytime they are questioned or ask to pay for an additional seat (nevermind that they intrude on my personal seat space)? Are we to expect WN to become the courtesy cops?

judolphin

Man, if you guys acted as tough as you talk on FlyerTalk, hockey games would break out on every WN flight EVER.

Well put. The world doesn't revolve around seat savers, and contrary to popular belief around here, the world doesn't revolve around A-Listers and those who pay a whole $10 for EBCI (I fall into the latter AL/EBCI category, not the former). I see a lot more rudeness/threatened rudeness coming from the "seat saving is bad" side on the WN boards than I've ever seen from actual seat savers on WN.

And just food for thought... what do you guys do at movie theaters? Do you climb over people who save seats? Call the usher or manager? Seriously.

PHLflying

Here's what happens

Seat saver tries to save a few seats, and is nice, and non rude about it - and has an air of flexibility with the situation about them (i.e. will be flexibile if someone wants to sit there and just hope for the best for when the others board) -- - and encounters someone else nice wanting to sit there -- There is no problem.


Seat saver saves a ton of seats, is adamant about it, is rude about it - and encounters someone else demanding those seats, there is a problem.

This situation probably doesn't happen way too often.

judolphin

Thank you!

Non - Issue.@:-)

You guys are making it look like WN has these huge problems with seat savers. As someone who has flow at least 200 WN flights (literally) who has never seen as much as a dirty look regarding seat saving, I am convinced the idea of this makes people more mad than any actual affect it has ever had on their flying experience.

nsx

I haven't seen any disputes about saved seats in well over 1000 flights. However these were almost all short-haul flights.

toomanybooks

Were any of those the best seats on the plane? And for a guy boarding at 110+?

nsx

I always sit just past the exit row, even if it's empty when I get there. So I would have automatically seen any exit row seat-saving trouble. I've never seen it.