Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Southwest Airlines | Rapid Rewards
Reload this Page >

Southwest announces intent to start service at Panama City, Florida

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Southwest announces intent to start service at Panama City, Florida

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:12 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: WN CP
Posts: 6,360
Southwest announces intent to start service at Panama City, Florida

On the Media Day webcast, Gary Kelly just announced that WN will start service at PFN in May 2010.
curbcrusher is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:14 pm
  #2  
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,579
May 2010 for service start, bummer they'll miss the Spring Break season.

edited to add: Start with 2 flights daily to 4 WN destinations (8 total). BNA and BWI already mentioned, I would guess HOU and MDW on top of that.

St. Joe Company is taking on the financial risk for the first three years of WN's operations.

More details of the agreement with St. Joe in this 8-K filing. WN is not allowed to begin new service to any airport within 80 miles during the three year agreement and service to an airport 80-120 miles away would require renegotiation of the agreement. St. Joe can opt out if their payment to WN exceeds $14 million in year one or $12 million in year two. If St. Joe makes payments to WN and the flights later become profitable, they will be reimbursed for the earlier payments by WN.

Last edited by Beckles; Oct 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Beckles is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:21 pm
  #3  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: RDU
Programs: AA LT Gold, DL SM, HY Disc, Marriott LT Gold
Posts: 12,507
Never been to that part of the state. Nice to have another option. Is it possible that TPA or FLL might be one of the cities for intra-state travel/repositioning?
ElmhurstNick is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:24 pm
  #4  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: Globalist, Marriott Plat, various sundry
Posts: 984
I'm going to guess HOU and either MCO or TPA. MDW would actually be a really solid idea, too, to shore up flights to the interior West.
gmax58 is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:31 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: MDW
Programs: WN CP & A-List Pref, HH Gold, Marriott LT PP
Posts: 708
Included in the announcement today was intent to grow operations at STL by adding new non-stop service in six markets and additional flights in two others. Details just posted by Bill Owen on blogsouthwest
chuckworth is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 12:38 pm
  #6  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: WN CP
Posts: 6,360
Gary Kelly said PFN service is forecasted to work with 8 roundtrips with only 1% conversion of automobile traffic to air traffic.
curbcrusher is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 1:12 pm
  #7  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: AA Gold AAdvantage Elite, Rapids Reward
Posts: 38,321
Originally Posted by curbcrusher
Gary Kelly said PFN service is forecasted to work with 8 roundtrips with only 1% conversion of automobile traffic to air traffic.
That's not enough the O/D daily passengers traffic. When WN will have enough more profitability routes out of PFN. I think in the future if WN will have to bring more capacity growth. Let's see how it going in PFN and before PNS will be next.
N830MH is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 1:20 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,798
Ugh....how about Charlotte? Stop ignoring the Southeast, WN.

And no, GSP would not be a viable alternative to CLT.
tusphotog is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 1:47 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Panama City Beach, FL (ECP)
Programs: Delta PM, Alaska MVP, Hilton GoldMarriott Titanium
Posts: 780
As a UCF student who calls Panama City home when not in Orlando, I find this to be great news. Now I am not a fan of Southwest by any measure, but I am happy to see some movement into the market. Right now PFN just has DL/NW CRJs to Memphis and Atlanta, and lets face it fares are not exactly the lowest in the panhandle due to the lack of competition. In other words...hooray for competition! ^

The local paper claims that two of the cities will be BWI and BNA (http://www.newsherald.com/articles/b...st-county.html), but I could have sworn I read elsewhere that the 8 flights would be two 4 different cities. Either way this is interesting and helps validate the new airport and hopefully can silence some of the people who claimed that SW would never fly to the new facility that opens in May '10...
Berto is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 1:48 pm
  #10  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 9,740
Originally Posted by tusphotog
Stop ignoring the Southeast, WN.
^

I'm still waiting for HOU - ATL flights to show up in WN's timetable...
uncertaintraveler is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 1:56 pm
  #11  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Programs: HH Gold; AA AAdvantage Mbr; DL Skymiles Silver Medallion; World of Hyatt Mbr; NK Free Spirit Mbr
Posts: 2,531
Originally Posted by tusphotog
Ugh....how about Charlotte? Stop ignoring the Southeast, WN.

And no, GSP would not be a viable alternative to CLT.
There's no argument that the GSP metro area in and of itself is not the size of CLT's, but that doesn't tell the whole tale. GSP is, though, well-positioned in between ATL and CLT and can draw from a very large region including Western N. Carolina, NE Georgia and the Midlands of SC besides those two population centers.

Not to mention the fact that if you factor back in the 60% of the GSP market that doesn't use GSP currently due to high airfares (which the entry of WN, FL, etc would correct to the majority of destinations), you'd have around 3 million pax a year, just in this market alone. I think GSP is a quite viable (and much more passenger-friendly) alternative to ATL or CLT for WN.
gsupstate is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 2:19 pm
  #12  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: AA Gold AAdvantage Elite, Rapids Reward
Posts: 38,321
Originally Posted by tusphotog
Ugh....how about Charlotte? Stop ignoring the Southeast, WN.

And no, GSP would not be a viable alternative to CLT.
Nope...Not yet. You probability will wait to see in the future. You will find out for another announcement more new cities for next year in 2010.
N830MH is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 2:50 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,798
Originally Posted by gsupstate
Not to mention the fact that if you factor back in the 60% of the GSP market that doesn't use GSP currently due to high airfares (which the entry of WN, FL, etc would correct to the majority of destinations), you'd have around 3 million pax a year, just in this market alone. I think GSP is a quite viable (and much more passenger-friendly) alternative to ATL or CLT for WN.
This is all wonderful, but if WN is concentrating on business travelers (which is evident from their recent entries into LGA, BOS, MSP etc), why on earth would someone fly to GSP and then drive two hours to Charlotte? Sure, it works for the those who work for Michelin or BMW, but look at the corporate hq's in Charlotte: B of A, Wells Fargo/Wachovia, Goodrich, Loews (yeah, yeah, they're not technically in Charlotte), and so on.
tusphotog is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 3:30 pm
  #14  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Night Vale
Posts: 1,872
I am waiting for the special SWA perks ya get if you now live or buy into a St. Joe community. A-List for the family? One companion pass per household? Complimentary Early Bird, etc.

((I still miss the early morning coffee, OJ, and doughnuts that SWA had at the Austin airport.))
kerflumexed is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2009, 4:00 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Santa Cruz, CA USA
Programs: AA, UA, WN, HH, Marriott
Posts: 7,290
Originally Posted by chuckworth
Included in the announcement today was intent to grow operations at STL by adding new non-stop service in six markets and additional flights in two others. Details just posted by Bill Owen on blogsouthwest
That makes sense given AA's big cutback in STL.
JerryFF is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.