JNB-HKG peculiar new timing?
Checkmytrip just notified me that the departure time of my flight to HKG in March has changed from 17:20 to 13:20. Which seems really odd: instead of sitting for over 11 hours in HKG the aircraft will now be there for over 15 hours! Seems a strangely inefficient change - can anyone offer insight into the reasoning?
[Of course this causes me all sorts of problems with my flight up to JNB which has to be changed. And my layover in HKG becomes almost 7 hours unless I can find an earlier flight at a reasonable price. :mad:] |
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 29137570)
Checkmytrip just notified me that the departure time of my flight to HKG in March has changed from 17:20 to 13:20. Which seems really odd: instead of sitting for over 11 hours in HKG the aircraft will now be there for over 15 hours! Seems a strangely inefficient change - can anyone offer insight into the reasoning?
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 29137570)
Of course this causes me all sorts of problems with my flight up to JNB which has to be changed. And my layover in HKG becomes almost 7 hours unless I can find an earlier flight at a reasonable price. :mad:]
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Originally Posted by evanb
(Post 29143204)
I'm guessing you've booked others on a separate ticket? That's unlucky. Unfortunately for all airlines at HKG slot issues are a challenge so I don't think they could control the timing of when these changes got made/announced. They'd been trying to make these changes for a while.
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Originally Posted by evanb
(Post 29143204)
The retiming has been done for better connections to JNB-GRU-JNB and a few other JNB morning arrival routes. Since they reduced JNB-GRU-JNB from 11x weekly to daily (and dropping the later arrival into JNB from GRU) the layover from GRU-JNB-HKG became huge, up to 10 hours as opposed to 4 hours.
Originally Posted by evanb
(Post 29143204)
The 15 hour downtime in HKG is not that problematic since they getting rid of the leased A340-300 and keeping only the owned ones which have been fully depreciated, so besides for the extra parking costs there are few cost increases for SAA to do this. The utilizations on the owned A340-300s becomes relative moot since fixed costs are now close to zero.
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Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 29169313)
Very interesting. I had no idea there was enough traffic on that routing to warrant this kind of accommodation!
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 29169313)
Even with aircraft “for free”, so to speak, better use of craft will feed the bottom line - critical for a business making the kind of losses that SA is, surely?
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I ticketed
SZK-xJNB-xHKG-HND-xHKG-xJNB-BBK (one ticket) Because of JNB-HKG retiming, I'm forced to stay JNB overnight. HKG-HND (NH) is rebooked to one day later. Ohter option provided by SAA is canceling whole ticket without penalty. |
Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu
(Post 29226460)
I ticketed
SZK-xJNB-xHKG-HND-xHKG-xJNB-BBK (one ticket) Because of JNB-HKG retiming, I'm forced to stay JNB overnight. HKG-HND (NH) is rebooked to one day later. Ohter option provided by SAA is canceling whole ticket without penalty. |
Originally Posted by zhaobao
(Post 29522481)
They have essentially screwed up a lot of Africa-JNB-HKG flights. Heading back to HKG from Victoria Falls and now have to overnight in JNB instead. As mentioned, refund without penalty allowed and endorsement over to ET allowed. However, if I was willing to fly ET to begin with (and transit in ADD for only 55 minutes), I would have paid a much lower price. Totally not sure what the logic is. At least I don't need a yellow fever vaccination now when boarding the flight from VFA to JNB (given that most of us would have incurred a Zambian entry stamp while visiting Victoria Falls).
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Re GRU - HKG - it's still a 6-hour transit in JNB whereas it's only a 2.5-hour transit in DOH if flying QR or 3-hour transit in ADD if flying ET. And the whole journey is shorter with QR and ET.
With original JNB to HKG schedule - one can still make all the connections to PEK/TPE/ICN/NRT/KIX..... Re VFA/LVI to LHR - it's a 6-hour transit in JNB too. Am I missing something ? |
Originally Posted by zhaobao
(Post 29530566)
Re GRU - HKG - it's still a 6-hour transit in JNB whereas it's only a 2.5-hour transit in DOH if flying QR or 3-hour transit in ADD if flying ET. And the whole journey is shorter with QR and ET.
With original JNB to HKG schedule - one can still make all the connections to PEK/TPE/ICN/NRT/KIX..... Re VFA/LVI to LHR - it's a 6-hour transit in JNB too. Am I missing something ? While the previous arrival time into HKG did have connections to PEK/TPE/ICN/NRT/KIX they were struggling to get sufficient capacity. They'll now have much greater access to codeshare capacity in HKG. |
Oh dear - codeshare with a OneWorld airline. This almost sounds like taking a successful business and damaging it yourself rather than via any external factors, like a self-fulfilling fallacy. :( If a traveller is simply price or time conscious, there are alternatives. So are TK/ET/QR/EK/SQ all taking business away from SA for Brazil to Asia ? (Which is the chicken and which is the egg here ?)
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Originally Posted by zhaobao
(Post 29530946)
Oh dear - codeshare with a OneWorld airline. This almost sounds like taking a successful business and damaging it yourself rather than via any external factors, like a self-fulfilling fallacy. :( If a traveller is simply price or time conscious, there are alternatives. So are TK/ET/QR/EK/SQ all taking business away from SA for Brazil to Asia ? (Which is the chicken and which is the egg here ?)
Some travelers may to time/price conscious, others might have other calculus. |
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