Why doesn't SAA fly overseas from CPT?
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Why doesn't SAA fly overseas from CPT?
This has been a mystery to me since I started flying to South Africa at the end of Apartheid. SAA doesn't have a single long haul, "overseas" nonstop flight from/to CPT. It is a shame to see all those foreign airplanes lined up at the international wing of the terminal sucking up this market, and to fly SAA -- the country's flag carrier -- one must connect at JNB! Particularly now that Cape Town is the greater tourist draw and increasingly business centre.
Considering the congestion at JNB throughout the morning as dozens of flights arrive from Europe and other points, clogging the customs hall and taking up at least an hour to be processed, it seems CPT would provide a needed pressure valve. Last time I arrived @CPT from LHR on BA, I cleared immigration and customs in minutes, and was waiting for the myCiti bus into town in less than 15-minutes from deplaning!
Is there a legitimate reason/rationale for this situation (other than available aircraft)?
Considering the congestion at JNB throughout the morning as dozens of flights arrive from Europe and other points, clogging the customs hall and taking up at least an hour to be processed, it seems CPT would provide a needed pressure valve. Last time I arrived @CPT from LHR on BA, I cleared immigration and customs in minutes, and was waiting for the myCiti bus into town in less than 15-minutes from deplaning!
Is there a legitimate reason/rationale for this situation (other than available aircraft)?
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Immigration in CPT can be horrid at times as well, try e.g. when both AF & KL flights land at about the same time and they only open 6-7 desks or so. (it is the last 2 flights of the day)
Other than that, can't really answer the question, luckily there are plenty of other airlines flying directly to CPT from all over Europe
Other than that, can't really answer the question, luckily there are plenty of other airlines flying directly to CPT from all over Europe
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This has been a mystery to me since I started flying to South Africa at the end of Apartheid. SAA doesn't have a single long haul, "overseas" nonstop flight from/to CPT. It is a shame to see all those foreign airplanes lined up at the international wing of the terminal sucking up this market, and to fly SAA -- the country's flag carrier -- one must connect at JNB! Particularly now that Cape Town is the greater tourist draw and increasingly business centre.
Considering the congestion at JNB throughout the morning as dozens of flights arrive from Europe and other points, clogging the customs hall and taking up at least an hour to be processed, it seems CPT would provide a needed pressure valve. Last time I arrived @CPT from LHR on BA, I cleared immigration and customs in minutes, and was waiting for the myCiti bus into town in less than 15-minutes from deplaning!
Is there a legitimate reason/rationale for this situation (other than available aircraft)?
Considering the congestion at JNB throughout the morning as dozens of flights arrive from Europe and other points, clogging the customs hall and taking up at least an hour to be processed, it seems CPT would provide a needed pressure valve. Last time I arrived @CPT from LHR on BA, I cleared immigration and customs in minutes, and was waiting for the myCiti bus into town in less than 15-minutes from deplaning!
Is there a legitimate reason/rationale for this situation (other than available aircraft)?
Secondly, Cape Town has very limited domestic or regional connections compared to Johannesburg, and combined with a bigger O&D market (primarily business), Johannesburg is a hub, while Cape Town is not. So limited domestic and regional feed makes like difficult for SAA compared to foreign airlines that are primarily feeding into or out of large hubs. It's noticeable that most of the long haul airlines to Cape Town are heavily reliant on their large hubs for feed.
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I agree with the comments above. Given all their woes, I wouldn't expect SAA to be launching any new routes anytime soon.
That said. In the mid-2000's didn't SAA fly direct from ATL to CPT? I couldv'e sworn I was on a few of those flights. Though to be honest, whether it was the drinks from the lounge or onboard, or the hangover afterwards, there may have been a stop in JNB. I pulled a couple of old itineraries and it seems so...
That said. In the mid-2000's didn't SAA fly direct from ATL to CPT? I couldv'e sworn I was on a few of those flights. Though to be honest, whether it was the drinks from the lounge or onboard, or the hangover afterwards, there may have been a stop in JNB. I pulled a couple of old itineraries and it seems so...
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That said. In the mid-2000's didn't SAA fly direct from ATL to CPT? I couldv'e sworn I was on a few of those flights. Though to be honest, whether it was the drinks from the lounge or onboard, or the hangover afterwards, there may have been a stop in JNB. I pulled a couple of old itineraries and it seems so...
Assuming SAA were to look at a JNB-CPT-IAD routing (as opposed to the current JNB-DKR/ACC-IAD), the CPT-IAD leg would be far too long for a A333 and really pushing the payload of an A333 or A343.
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In 1999 SAA flew to Miami (later switched to Atlanta), London, Frankfurt (via Johannesburg, later non-stop), Paris (via Johannesburg) and Zurich (via Johannesburg).
Atlanta was dropped around 2002 (roughly when the A340-600 took over the route from the B747-400) and Paris and Zurich around the same time. Frankfurt ended around 2005 after a last effort to save the route by switching it to a daytime northbound service. London lasted until 2012.
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Also, if this were the case why would the state owned ACSA have invested so much in Cape Town International since then, and also, why have SAA increased their net capacity to Cape Town (through Johannesburg) since then. Whatever long haul capacity they have removed from Cape Town they have more than covered in domestic capacity.
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They used to fly to London from CPT but dropped it
Airlines without SAA's geographical disadvantage struggle to make non-hub flying work, let alone when you factor in the "end of the line" nature of South Africa
All those airlines you see at CPT have hubs at the other end
Airlines without SAA's geographical disadvantage struggle to make non-hub flying work, let alone when you factor in the "end of the line" nature of South Africa
All those airlines you see at CPT have hubs at the other end
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If I recall correctly, like others have said, this was based for a move towards a hub and spoke model about 15-17 years ago. It's fair to say that this was pre-congestion. I also think they are more focused on short - medium haul flights these days as they are more profitable for them.
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Thanks for the replies, reflecting interesting points and particularly vis a vis domestic South African perspectives on the matter. My reason for asking (I fully know how SAA has had to retrench due to financial matters and incompetent management over the years) is that nobody I know here in Canada or the US has the least bit of interest in visiting Johannesburg. Everyone wants to do Cape Town (and nearby wine country). They are put off by the horrendous connection (including 2-hour waits to clear immigration at JNB) required at that hub, and thus would rather connect somewhere else and then fly directly to CPT. Tourism to SA is no longer focused on visiting a wildlife reserve/doing a safari. Just think SAA is losing a lot of potential (and lucrative J) business by flying nonstop from NAmerica to CPT, let alone from at least LHR and FRA.