rumor: SAA may return to Miami

Old Aug 4, 15, 9:11 pm
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rumor: SAA may return to Miami

Rumor! Rumor! Rumor!!

South African Airways may return to Miami. Last time they drop nonstop JNB-CPT-MIA in early 2000s. They switch to FLL. They became codeshare with Delta.

Let the speculation begin.
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Old Aug 5, 15, 1:14 am
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Zero chance.

SAA have spent a lot of time recently re-configuring the North American routes, switching some of the Dakar flights to Accra, considering using Abidjan too. There has been talk of some additional frequencies as a result. The thought is that these would go to JFK, but they are considering other airports, but given that they would have zero feed at Miami I think it's a non-starter. If they add a new station I am certain it would be a JetBlue or United hub.
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Old Aug 5, 15, 1:42 am
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Pretty sure it was always FLL. It certainly was when I flew the route in 1997.

Seems a bit pointless discussing a rumour when we have no idea of its source and hence plausibility. We could start dozens of threads saying "Rumour: SA may return to NRT, CPH, FCO..." (it's a very long list!!) and amuse ourselves with the speculation - but it would be pointless.
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I'll throw one in

JNB-PER-AKL-PER-JNB

Source: In my head, would make my current commute much easier.
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Old Aug 5, 15, 6:52 am
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Let's just get the full list out there, except Africa:

Americas: EZE, GIG, LAX, MIA, FLL, ATL, IAH
Oceana/Asia: SYD, MEL, PEK, BOM, KIX, SIN, CMB, TPE, BKK, DXB
Europe: VIE, BRU, LCA, CPH, CDG, HAM, DUS, ATH, TLV, MXP, FCO, LUX, AMS, LIS, MAD, LPA, ZRH, MAN
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Old Aug 5, 15, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA View Post
Seems a bit pointless discussing a rumour when we have no idea of its source and hence plausibility.
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Zero chance.
If they add a new station I am certain it would be a JetBlue or United hub.
+1
Though how I miss that ATL-CPT direct flight that I was on once and a while in the early 2000s. Specifically remember it from 2003. Once and a while it seemed to stop in JNB before continuing on. But, I vaguely recall it being direct (skipping JNB) once or twice.
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Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA View Post
Pretty sure it was always FLL. It certainly was when I flew the route in 1997.
I definitely flew JNB-CPT-MIA in Feb 1997. The route took just over 18 hours but it was a lovely long, uninterrupted nights sleep. I much preferred that flight to the middle of the night wake up call at SID en route to JFK.
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Originally Posted by evanb View Post
Let's just get the full list out there, except Africa:

Americas: EZE, GIG, LAX, MIA, FLL, ATL, IAH
Oceana/Asia: SYD, MEL, PEK, BOM, KIX, SIN, CMB, TPE, BKK, DXB
Europe: VIE, BRU, LCA, CPH, CDG, HAM, DUS, ATH, TLV, MXP, FCO, LUX, AMS, LIS, MAD, LPA, ZRH, MAN
That list is even more impressive than I thought it would be. Nice work.

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I definitely flew JNB-CPT-MIA in Feb 1997. The route took just over 18 hours but it was a lovely long, uninterrupted nights sleep. I much preferred that flight to the middle of the night wake up call at SID en route to JFK.
You're probably right - given that I also thought I "remembered" Tokyo and evanb says it was Osaka. Maybe my memory is just failing totally.
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Old Aug 7, 15, 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH View Post
Rumor! Rumor! Rumor!!

South African Airways may return to Miami. Last time they drop nonstop JNB-CPT-MIA in early 2000s. They switch to FLL. They became codeshare with Delta.

Let the speculation begin.
This is almost certainly false rumor started because Bezuidenhout recently spoke at the IATA meeting in Miami.
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Old Aug 8, 15, 9:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Indelaware View Post
This is almost certainly false rumor started because Bezuidenhout recently spoke at the IATA meeting in Miami.
If you were to read correctly on the other site you would know it didn't happen at IATA. It happened at MIA.
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Old Aug 9, 15, 2:35 am
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SAA were at the IATA meeting in Miami. They got invited round to a nice lunch at MIA. I wouldn't read much into it.

If MIA didn't meet with every airlines that they could have during the IATA meeting then they wouldn't be doing their job.
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Old Aug 9, 15, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by evanb View Post
SAA were at the IATA meeting in Miami. They got invited round to a nice lunch at MIA. I wouldn't read much into it.

If MIA didn't meet with every airlines that they could have during the IATA meeting then they wouldn't be doing their job.

They were at the meeting at IATA but they also had a private meeting at MIA.


I hope BOS is in their plans too.
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Old Aug 9, 15, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by Patriots View Post
They were at the meeting at IATA but they also had a private meeting at MIA.
So it was a "private" meeting? What does that mean?

Okay, it's time to end this. I know of the content of the meeting. MIA requested the meeting. They requested a meeting with 20 plus airlines since the IATA meeting was in their town (yes, they were simply taking advantage of the IATA meeting). Yes, SAA have thought about what further destination they might serve in North America (this is not a secret, see the CAPA report) if they add a destination, and no MIA is not on the shortlist. They have no feed at MIA, and the O&D market is too small, even to and from any intermediate point. SAA's operations to North America is very much centered around hubs, O&D traffic cannot sustain any route to North America from South Africa. And really, they are not considering adding a third destination any time soon.
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Old Aug 9, 15, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by evanb View Post
Yes, SAA have thought about what further destination they might serve in North America (this is not a secret, see the CAPA report) if they add a destination, and no MIA is not on the shortlist. They have no feed at MIA, and the O&D market is too small, even to and from any intermediate point. SAA's operations to North America is very much centered around hubs, O&D traffic cannot sustain any route to North America from South Africa. And really, they are not considering adding a third destination any time soon.
If it was not for the alliances, then there would be plenty of feed at MIA for SA to tap into. AA operates a major hub there. But because of the alliances, few if any passengers would fly an AA-SA interline trip. Nor would there be a reasonable AA-SA interline fare offered.

If SA were to expand in the US, they would likely choose to fly to another UA hub - e.g. ORD, IAH, DEN, SFO, LAX. Service to any of those points would require a technical stop.
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Old Aug 9, 15, 4:40 pm
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ORD-JNB is only 269 miles farther than ATL-JNB.
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