Does SAA ever release more than 4 award seats?
#1
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Join Date: May 2005
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Does SAA ever release more than 4 award seats?
Does SAA ever release more than four award seats in the same cabin on a given flight? In my searches across multiple airline sites, 4 seats at a time are all I have been able to find on a flight in either coach or business. I know some airlines release seats in batches, so that for example, they will only show up to four seats as being available at a time, but as soon as those four seats are taken, they will go and release up to another four award seats immediately. Does SAA operate in a manner anything like this? Or is it that once those four seats are taken, you're out of luck on getting any more (besides maybe waiting till more are released at the last minute)?
Interestingly, when I search for awards on SA via united.com, it often (on particular dates, but not all dates) shows 6+ seats in economy and 6+ seats in business, but when I go to book those 6 seats, united gives me an error. If I lower the number of passengers to 4 and select the same flights, the united booking engine goes through. So, this appears to be phantom inventory displaying on united.com. What I'm wondering is where united.com is getting information about those additional award seats. Do those phantom seats somehow correspond to additional award seats that could be booked once the first batch of 4 is taken?
(When I go to try to cross-check the info on united.com with other sites, I've found with Aeroplan searches that only four seats at a time ever seem to be displayed as available for a given flight--bumping the passenger count up to 5 shows no availability on the SA flights via aeroplan. Unfortunately, the ANA search engine doesn't help too much here, since it is limited to searching for four seats at a time. I don't have an SAA voyager account but perhaps searches there could also provide additional info).
Interestingly, when I search for awards on SA via united.com, it often (on particular dates, but not all dates) shows 6+ seats in economy and 6+ seats in business, but when I go to book those 6 seats, united gives me an error. If I lower the number of passengers to 4 and select the same flights, the united booking engine goes through. So, this appears to be phantom inventory displaying on united.com. What I'm wondering is where united.com is getting information about those additional award seats. Do those phantom seats somehow correspond to additional award seats that could be booked once the first batch of 4 is taken?
(When I go to try to cross-check the info on united.com with other sites, I've found with Aeroplan searches that only four seats at a time ever seem to be displayed as available for a given flight--bumping the passenger count up to 5 shows no availability on the SA flights via aeroplan. Unfortunately, the ANA search engine doesn't help too much here, since it is limited to searching for four seats at a time. I don't have an SAA voyager account but perhaps searches there could also provide additional info).
#2
Join Date: Dec 2007
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On domestic flights they do release up to 9.
Internationally they are pretty good in that they release seats full stop. Star partners like Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss, airNZ never have any availability in the premium cabins on long hauls.
I have managed once on SAA to get 6 pax JNB-HKG on mileage return in J. But 3 seats were confirmed about 6months in advance and the other 3 were only confirmed on day of travel.
We took a chance because monitoring the flight levels we saw the flight was sitting at about 50% in J. Economy was also wide open which allowed for emergencies should we not have gotten all 6 in business.
#canbedone
Internationally they are pretty good in that they release seats full stop. Star partners like Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss, airNZ never have any availability in the premium cabins on long hauls.
I have managed once on SAA to get 6 pax JNB-HKG on mileage return in J. But 3 seats were confirmed about 6months in advance and the other 3 were only confirmed on day of travel.
We took a chance because monitoring the flight levels we saw the flight was sitting at about 50% in J. Economy was also wide open which allowed for emergencies should we not have gotten all 6 in business.
#canbedone
#3
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 136
On domestic flights they do release up to 9.
Internationally they are pretty good in that they release seats full stop. Star partners like Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss, airNZ never have any availability in the premium cabins on long hauls.
I have managed once on SAA to get 6 pax JNB-HKG on mileage return in J. But 3 seats were confirmed about 6months in advance and the other 3 were only confirmed on day of travel.
We took a chance because monitoring the flight levels we saw the flight was sitting at about 50% in J. Economy was also wide open which allowed for emergencies should we not have gotten all 6 in business.
#canbedone
Internationally they are pretty good in that they release seats full stop. Star partners like Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss, airNZ never have any availability in the premium cabins on long hauls.
I have managed once on SAA to get 6 pax JNB-HKG on mileage return in J. But 3 seats were confirmed about 6months in advance and the other 3 were only confirmed on day of travel.
We took a chance because monitoring the flight levels we saw the flight was sitting at about 50% in J. Economy was also wide open which allowed for emergencies should we not have gotten all 6 in business.
#canbedone
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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SAA has pretty decent award availability. Like other airlines, SAA's lucrative long-haul routes don't have great availability, but they have several long haul and regional routes that have been wide open in my experience. Domestically, their availability varies, but is generally quite good.
#6
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Agreed.
I've seen some seats get released at the 330+ day mark,whereas others sometimes get released close to departure (around the 5 day mark). Unfortunately, I haven't seen consistency in this regard so it's hard to plan for this.
I've seen some seats get released at the 330+ day mark,whereas others sometimes get released close to departure (around the 5 day mark). Unfortunately, I haven't seen consistency in this regard so it's hard to plan for this.
#8
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I'm looking at flights in May 2018 and I actually see availability in J and none in Y... Does it mean people already snatched up the economy seats or they just didn't released a lot more J seats?
#9
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It is hard to guess if they did not release the Y seats or they got taken. Most times, it is easier to get Y seats than J.
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Hi all -- I'm looking to book round trip awards in J for 2 people on the JFK-JNB route in spring 2019. I know this is an extremely popular route, but in my searches even with completely flexible dates I have only seen one date with two business awards available in one direction. Given the discussion above, I'm wondering if I should take the plunge and book one of us in J (there are many dates with 1 RT award in J available) and the other in Y, in the hopes of moving the second person to J if/when more award seats get released. Any thoughts or advice appreciated - thanks!
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Hi all -- I'm looking to book round trip awards in J for 2 people on the JFK-JNB route in spring 2019. I know this is an extremely popular route, but in my searches even with completely flexible dates I have only seen one date with two business awards available in one direction. Given the discussion above, I'm wondering if I should take the plunge and book one of us in J (there are many dates with 1 RT award in J available) and the other in Y, in the hopes of moving the second person to J if/when more award seats get released. Any thoughts or advice appreciated - thanks!
#13
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They have massively reduced capacity on mainline domestic services, switching capacity to Mango. Mango is available on SAA as a codeshare, and reward capacity is available to SAA Voyager directly from Mango, but I don't think that reward capacity is available to SAA partners.
#14
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Hi all -- I'm looking to book round trip awards in J for 2 people on the JFK-JNB route in spring 2019. I know this is an extremely popular route, but in my searches even with completely flexible dates I have only seen one date with two business awards available in one direction. Given the discussion above, I'm wondering if I should take the plunge and book one of us in J (there are many dates with 1 RT award in J available) and the other in Y, in the hopes of moving the second person to J if/when more award seats get released. Any thoughts or advice appreciated - thanks!
I'm in a situation looking for the reverse (JNB-JFK) in J for March 2019. Although there are several options, I'm much more interested in non-stop. Anyway, I've only seen the availability for January and February--not March or April. However, there are Y award seats available. I'm hoping it's just because they haven't been released yet.
#15
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New York
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I have been trying to find 2 J award seats from IAD to JNB (in the hope of trying their new J cabin on the 333), anytime in April or May 2019 but so far I haven't found a single date with 2 award seats. A very few dates with 1, though. I've tried via LHR too, and like IAD if there is availability it's only 1 seat. I'm using ExpertFlyer FYI.
I think I might book 1 J seat, and set an alert hoping that another one will come up at some point. I read on other threads that they tend to release awards closer to the date... not sure if my strategy is great though hah.
I think I might book 1 J seat, and set an alert hoping that another one will come up at some point. I read on other threads that they tend to release awards closer to the date... not sure if my strategy is great though hah.