SAA's financial woes
Jan 21, 2020, 10:40 am
#139
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My concern is sort the hodgepodge nature of all this. The just-announced flight cancellations are only through at the latest, 24 January. I haven't been tracking which metal is being flown on certain routes, sold, returned, re-purposed. If they were going to continue to cut costs by cutting routes dumping planes/leases, just cancel the route, full stop, and getting rid of the metal (or using it on another route) rather than saying, in substance, "this week" we're cancelling these flights. What will it be next week? Markets (to the extent there's a "market" for SAA) like certainty and I'm sure pax would appreciate it as well. With these recent cancellations, are they saying a JNB_MUC flights next week may go on as planned, or not?
Jan 21, 2020, 11:33 am
#140
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Location: USA
Posts: 1,153
I'll quote my post from the IAD-JNB fuel stop thread since its somewhat relevant. My flight was changed to an A340 four months in advance. Its usually a dedicated A330 route (with occasional last min A340 subs)
I'm booked on SA210 IAD-ACC-JNB in May 2020. Received a notification from Expert Flyer of an aircraft change from A330 to A340. Since this means the old business seats, I was able to call and move from a center pair to a window/aisle pair.
I'm just curious as to why the route seems to be moving from a dedicated A330 route, to one where they are adding some A340's. Is it because they are putting the new A350s on JFK-JNB, and they are redeploying the old A340s elsewhere?
A quick look at May 2020 shows they have already switched to a A340 30% of the time. Seems pretty random, but I'm sure there's logic behind it.
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I'm just curious as to why the route seems to be moving from a dedicated A330 route, to one where they are adding some A340's. Is it because they are putting the new A350s on JFK-JNB, and they are redeploying the old A340s elsewhere?
A quick look at May 2020 shows they have already switched to a A340 30% of the time. Seems pretty random, but I'm sure there's logic behind it.
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- Thu 4/30/2020 A330-300
- Sat 5/2/2020 A330-300
- Mon 5/4/2020 A330-300
- Tue 5/5/2020 A330-300
- Thu 5/7/2020 A340-300
- Sat 5/9/2020 A330-300
- Mon 5/11/2020 A330-300
- Tue 5/12/2020 A340-300
- Thu 5/14/2020 A340-300
- Sat 5/16/2020 A330-300
- Mon 5/18/2020 A330-300
- Tue 5/19/2020 A330-300
- Thu 5/21/2020 A330-300
- Sat 5/23/2020 A340-300
- Mon 5/25/2020 A330-300
- Tue 5/26/2020 A340-300
- Thu 5/28/2020 A330-300
Jan 23, 2020, 5:20 pm
#141
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
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What happens when a flight is cancelled? Does saa rebook you to another flight of their choice, or pass the buck to the travel agency?
Am on a March JNB-HKG flight which I'm 99 percent sure is on the chopping block. They're still selling tickets but only on higher fare buckets and is therefore mostly unsold
Am on a March JNB-HKG flight which I'm 99 percent sure is on the chopping block. They're still selling tickets but only on higher fare buckets and is therefore mostly unsold
Jan 30, 2020, 1:26 pm
#142
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,077
And, February's cancellations
Dang it. IAD-JNB!
https://umhambi.blogspot.com/2020/01...l-several.html
Johannesburg (JNB) – Durban (DUR)
SA575 Depart 1900 - Arrive 2005 | Dates: 01, 05, 06, 08, 13 February
SA575 Depart 1830 - Arrive 1935 | Dates: 07 February
SA527 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 21 February
Durban (DUR) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA528 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 02 , 06 , 07 , 09 , 14 , 21 February
SA580 Depart 2005 - Arrive 2110 | Dates: 07 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Cape Town (CPT)
SA353 Depart 1600 - Arrive 1805 | Dates: 03 , 04 , 11 , 17 , 24 February
SA313 Depart 0850 - Arrive 1055 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 25 February
SA303 Depart 0530 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 05 , 13 , 17 , 26 February
Cape Town (CPT) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA366 Depart 1850 - Arrive 2045 | Dates: 03 , 04 , 11 , 17 , 24 February
SA326 Depart 1135 - Arrive 1330 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 25 February
SA316 Depart 0820 - Arrive 1015 | Dates: 05 , 13 , 17 , 26 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – East London (ELS)
SA477 Depart 1855 - Arrive 2020 | Dates: 05 , 06 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
East London (ELS) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA472 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0755 | Dates: 06 , 07 , 13 , 20 , 27 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Livingstone (LVI)
SA048 Depart 1040 - Arrive 1220 | Dates: 01 , 05 , 08 , 10 , 11 , 15 , 18 , 19 , 26 , 27 February
Livingstone (LVI) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA049 Depart 1300 - Arrive 1440 | Dates: 01 , 05 , 08 , 10 , 11 , 15 , 18 , 19 , 26 , 27 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Kinshasa (FIH)
SA050 Depart 1010 - Arrive 1255 | Dates: 03 February
Kinshasa (FIH) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA051 Depart 1345 - Arrive 1830 | Dates: 03 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Dar Es Salaam (DAR)
SA188 Depart 1335 - Arrive 1755 | Dates: 03 , 10 , 17 February
Dar Es Salaam (DAR) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA189 Depart 0600 - Arrive 0830 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 18 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Nairobi (NBO)
SA180 Depart 1530 - Arrive 2030 | Dates: 01 , 08 , 22 February
Nairobi (NBO) - Johannesburg (JNB)
SA181 Depart 0835 - Arrive 1140 | Dates: 02 , 09 , 23 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Windhoek (WDH)
SA074 Depart 0950 - Arrive 1145 | Dates: 06 February
SA076 Depart 1430 - Arrive 1625 | Dates: 05 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
Windhoek (WDH) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA075 Depart 1235 - Arrive 1420 | Dates: 06 February
SA077 Depart 1715 - Arrive 1900 | Dates: 05 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Accra (ACC) – Washington (IAD)
SA209 Depart 1805 - Arrive 2205 - Depart 2320 - Arrive 0600 | Dates: 16 , 18 February
Washington (IAD) – Accra (ACC) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA210 Depart 1740 - Arrive 0835 - Depart 0935 - Arrive 1725 | Dates: 17 , 19 February
Dang it. IAD-JNB!
https://umhambi.blogspot.com/2020/01...l-several.html
Johannesburg (JNB) – Durban (DUR)
SA575 Depart 1900 - Arrive 2005 | Dates: 01, 05, 06, 08, 13 February
SA575 Depart 1830 - Arrive 1935 | Dates: 07 February
SA527 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 21 February
Durban (DUR) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA528 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 02 , 06 , 07 , 09 , 14 , 21 February
SA580 Depart 2005 - Arrive 2110 | Dates: 07 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Cape Town (CPT)
SA353 Depart 1600 - Arrive 1805 | Dates: 03 , 04 , 11 , 17 , 24 February
SA313 Depart 0850 - Arrive 1055 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 25 February
SA303 Depart 0530 - Arrive 0735 | Dates: 05 , 13 , 17 , 26 February
Cape Town (CPT) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA366 Depart 1850 - Arrive 2045 | Dates: 03 , 04 , 11 , 17 , 24 February
SA326 Depart 1135 - Arrive 1330 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 25 February
SA316 Depart 0820 - Arrive 1015 | Dates: 05 , 13 , 17 , 26 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – East London (ELS)
SA477 Depart 1855 - Arrive 2020 | Dates: 05 , 06 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
East London (ELS) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA472 Depart 0630 - Arrive 0755 | Dates: 06 , 07 , 13 , 20 , 27 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Livingstone (LVI)
SA048 Depart 1040 - Arrive 1220 | Dates: 01 , 05 , 08 , 10 , 11 , 15 , 18 , 19 , 26 , 27 February
Livingstone (LVI) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA049 Depart 1300 - Arrive 1440 | Dates: 01 , 05 , 08 , 10 , 11 , 15 , 18 , 19 , 26 , 27 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Kinshasa (FIH)
SA050 Depart 1010 - Arrive 1255 | Dates: 03 February
Kinshasa (FIH) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA051 Depart 1345 - Arrive 1830 | Dates: 03 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Dar Es Salaam (DAR)
SA188 Depart 1335 - Arrive 1755 | Dates: 03 , 10 , 17 February
Dar Es Salaam (DAR) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA189 Depart 0600 - Arrive 0830 | Dates: 04 , 11 , 18 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Nairobi (NBO)
SA180 Depart 1530 - Arrive 2030 | Dates: 01 , 08 , 22 February
Nairobi (NBO) - Johannesburg (JNB)
SA181 Depart 0835 - Arrive 1140 | Dates: 02 , 09 , 23 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Windhoek (WDH)
SA074 Depart 0950 - Arrive 1145 | Dates: 06 February
SA076 Depart 1430 - Arrive 1625 | Dates: 05 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
Windhoek (WDH) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA075 Depart 1235 - Arrive 1420 | Dates: 06 February
SA077 Depart 1715 - Arrive 1900 | Dates: 05 , 12 , 19 , 26 February
Johannesburg (JNB) – Accra (ACC) – Washington (IAD)
SA209 Depart 1805 - Arrive 2205 - Depart 2320 - Arrive 0600 | Dates: 16 , 18 February
Washington (IAD) – Accra (ACC) – Johannesburg (JNB)
SA210 Depart 1740 - Arrive 0835 - Depart 0935 - Arrive 1725 | Dates: 17 , 19 February
Jan 31, 2020, 3:38 am
#145
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Jan 31, 2020, 4:53 am
#146
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Location: USA
Posts: 1,153
Feb 6, 2020, 9:44 am
#147
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Posts: 1,390
Pretty brutal changes from beginning of March. All domestic canceled aside from some jnb-cpt. Mango continues as normal.
Feb 6, 2020, 10:41 am
#148
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And several regional/international gone as well - Abidjan, Entebbe, Luanda, Ndola, along with Hong Kong, Munich and Sao Paulo. Brutal indeed!
Official announcement here - which includes 'SAA does not intend to make any further significant network changes. Passengers and travel agents can therefore feel confident about booking future travel with South African Airways.' !
Official announcement here - which includes 'SAA does not intend to make any further significant network changes. Passengers and travel agents can therefore feel confident about booking future travel with South African Airways.' !
Riiiiight!
Feb 6, 2020, 3:56 pm
#150
Join Date: Mar 2016
Programs: AC SE
Posts: 1,500
Airlink has posted an announcement about the domestic and regional flights.
Airlink, the privately-run South African airline, will operate services linking Johannesburg with Port Elizabeth, Entebbe, Ndola and Luanda after 29 February 2020, even though its franchise partner, SAA, will stop serving those destinations from that date.
“We want to reassure travellers that as far as Airlink is concerned, it is business as usual! Our schedule and operations are unaffected by SAA’s latest network cuts,” said Rodger Foster, Airlink CEO and Managing Director.
Airlink has been operating flights to Entebbe, Uganda on SAA’s behalf and will continue these services without disruption after 29 February 2020.
Currently Airlink operates two flights a day to Ndola, Zambia, which will allow travellers booked on SAA’s own flights to be re-accommodated on Airlink after 29 February 2020 with no interruption.
Airlink recently secured traffic rights to operate daily direct flights to Luanda, Angola. It will commence this service after 29 February.
“Our flights will operate under the “SA8” flight code until 10 June 2020, after which they will be operated under Airlink’s unique “4Z” code. “4Z” tickets are already available through travel agents, tour operators and online at www.flyairlink.com,” added Mr Foster.
Tickets already issued for travel on SAA flight numbers on these routes, after 29 February 2020, will remain valid, subject to re-accommodation by Airlink. Customers holding those tickets may apply to SAA for re-accommodation onto Airlink’s flights. Those who do not want to be re-accommodated, may apply to SAA for a refund in line with its Business Rescue refund policies.
“We want to reassure travellers that as far as Airlink is concerned, it is business as usual! Our schedule and operations are unaffected by SAA’s latest network cuts,” said Rodger Foster, Airlink CEO and Managing Director.
Airlink has been operating flights to Entebbe, Uganda on SAA’s behalf and will continue these services without disruption after 29 February 2020.
Currently Airlink operates two flights a day to Ndola, Zambia, which will allow travellers booked on SAA’s own flights to be re-accommodated on Airlink after 29 February 2020 with no interruption.
Airlink recently secured traffic rights to operate daily direct flights to Luanda, Angola. It will commence this service after 29 February.
“Our flights will operate under the “SA8” flight code until 10 June 2020, after which they will be operated under Airlink’s unique “4Z” code. “4Z” tickets are already available through travel agents, tour operators and online at www.flyairlink.com,” added Mr Foster.
Tickets already issued for travel on SAA flight numbers on these routes, after 29 February 2020, will remain valid, subject to re-accommodation by Airlink. Customers holding those tickets may apply to SAA for re-accommodation onto Airlink’s flights. Those who do not want to be re-accommodated, may apply to SAA for a refund in line with its Business Rescue refund policies.
