Who would be the next Skyteam member?
Jan 18, 2010, 5:55 am
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Jan 18, 2010, 7:29 am
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Nothing to do with SkyTeam. As Supersonic Swinger mentioned, JL and AF codeshare. In fact all direct FR-JP routes are codeshared by both airlines. That's why. JL does not have its own lounge at CDG.
Jan 19, 2010, 1:47 am
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Yes, most airlines that codeshare on a particular route linking hubs with no lounge at the other end do this. Same applies to Aeroflot and Cathay (codeshare) in which Aeroflot Golds and Business pax can use CX lounges at HKG.
Jan 19, 2010, 6:22 am
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Jan 19, 2010, 7:39 am
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However, AF & JL have had codeshares for quite a while but only recently have I noticed the invitation to JL pax at the AF lounge. And, inside, there was a section fenced off with a 'quick-fix' type of sign saying the area was exclusively for JL First Class pax (so they don't get into the La Premiere lounge, I guess).
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Jan 19, 2010, 8:55 am
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Jan 19, 2010, 8:57 am
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Jan 19, 2010, 10:07 am
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I agree. But I still don't think that the fact that JL now uses the AF lounge is directly related to any decision on DL/AF investing in JL and the latter eventually coming into SkyTeam. IMHO the two are coincidential.
Jan 19, 2010, 12:12 pm
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You're most certainly right. But the fact that JL flies out of 2E (any other OW or *Alliance airline doing that ?), after moving out of 2F2 and joining One World shows the strength of the AF/JL relationship, regardless of any alliance membership.
Jan 20, 2010, 10:45 pm
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GOL???
What do you think are the chances that GOL will join Skyteam? I seen where KLM and GOL signed new codeshare agreements and Air France is increasing their cooperation with GOL.
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Jan 21, 2010, 2:19 am
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Bumpy ride ahead
"...American Airlines Chairman and CEO Gerard Arpey said yesterday that AA continues to engage in discussions with JAL and the Japanese government regarding its offer to invest in the troubled airline. He said JAL would be "unwise" to enter into a partnership with Delta Air Lines and switch from oneworld to SkyTeam, adding that AA would "move aggressively to block" a JAL-DL tie-up on antitrust grounds. He noted that JAL/DL would control around 65% of the Japan-US market, "making a mockery" and "absolute farce" of the recently agreed US-Japan open skies."
Source: http://www.atwonline.com/news/other....=1%2F21%2F2010
Source: http://www.atwonline.com/news/other....=1%2F21%2F2010
Jan 21, 2010, 9:49 am
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2. The anti-trust argument will not be pertinent if the new JAL concentrates its operations on domestic flights
Jan 22, 2010, 12:46 am
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I see an eructing fat American guy displeased for having being sided by his chap in front of a calm and tight-lipped skinny Japanese.
Sounds so cliché to me ! Being rude is awowing failure and weakness in that context, not the recipe for a turnaround decision.
Personnaly I would regret the JL 1st class lounge, I could have access with my OW E status. Otherwise, I don't care.
Jan 22, 2010, 2:39 am
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Absolutely. JAL moved to 2E and is using AF lounge since June 17th, 2009, well before the AA/DL fight warmed up.
Jan 27, 2010, 8:52 am
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This might be a stupid question, but I've always hoped VS would join ST, purely for the reason that I fly JFK-LHR often and much prefer the VS product over DL...does VS just have no desire to join any alliance? Obviously oneworld would be out, and could imagine that AF/KL would be against ST membership.