Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Global Airline Alliances > SkyTeam
Reload this Page >

China Airlines (CI) next ST member

China Airlines (CI) next ST member

Reply

Old Jan 14, 08, 9:55 am
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Gone to Carolina in my mind
Programs: AA ExpMM, DL 2MM, IHG Spire/RA
Posts: 1,980
China Airlines (CI) next ST member

From ATWonline:

Monday January 14, 2008
China Airlines will be announced as the next full member of the SkyTeam alliance this year, a source close to the carrier told ATWOnline. Talks between CI and SkyTeam members started last autumn.


by Kurt Hofmann
PMMMDL is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 9:58 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Hyatt "Giggity-Giggity", DL Silver, UA Silver, HH Diamond, IHG Plat, BW Diamond
Posts: 24,744
Hopefully at full EQM for all their tickets. I flew them a few months ago, and thought the service was okay, but they had one of the worst cattle-like boarding lines I've ever seen.
Jaimito Cartero is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 11:06 am
  #3  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Zealand
Programs: NZ , QF , MK
Posts: 1,341
I have to admit to being very surprised at this , I would have expected all the alliances to steer clear of Taiwanese carriers for fear of upsetting the PRC - it will be interesting to see what the PRC Government would think about CZ having any form of co-operation with CI , it also seems to me that even though they cover very different markets TPE and CAN are rather close together as hubs go ( yes , I realise that they are not as close as DL's JFK hub and CO's EWR hub or NW's DTW hub , CO's CLE hub and DL's CVG hub ) considering how poor Skyteams coverage of Asia is at the moment I would have thought that MH would have brought a lot more value to the alliance than the carrier of a country which brings with it major political baggage
kiwiandrew is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 11:31 am
  #4  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Programs: Flying Blue, Miles & More
Posts: 166
Originally Posted by kiwiandrew View Post
I have to admit to being very surprised at this , I would have expected all the alliances to steer clear of Taiwanese carriers for fear of upsetting the PRC - it will be interesting to see what the PRC Government would think about CZ having any form of co-operation with CI , it also seems to me that even though they cover very different markets TPE and CAN are rather close together as hubs go ( yes , I realise that they are not as close as DL's JFK hub and CO's EWR hub or NW's DTW hub , CO's CLE hub and DL's CVG hub ) considering how poor Skyteams coverage of Asia is at the moment I would have thought that MH would have brought a lot more value to the alliance than the carrier of a country which brings with it major political baggage
I think this a great thing China airlines is very nice airline with nice route network for Asia, if MH also joins in 2009 then the coverage of Asia for skyteam is really good with CI,CZ,KE,MH and NW at NRT is will rival *alliance network.I dont think the hubs thing is a problem look at *allaince they have have hubs at BKK and SIN which are also very close.I dont think the Political issue is such a big factor, every year with chinese year there a numerous charters between taiwan and the mainland s i dont think the PRC would make a big deal out of it.
sh1982 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 11:47 am
  #5  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: A festering pit; a pustule of a fistula set athwart the miasmic swamps of the armpit of the Gulf of Mexico - a Godforsaken wart upon a dark crevasse of the World. (IAH)
Programs: UA Lifetime Gold, Marriott Lifetime Plat, Hilton Gold, National Executive Elite
Posts: 31,392
If true, I'd bet this bodes poorly for CO's partnership with EVA. A shame, as their Elite class (Y+) is often very reasonably priced.
Anglo Large Clawed Otter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 1:24 pm
  #6  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
2019 FlyerTalk Awards
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: American Airlines AAdvantage, Rapids Reward
Posts: 33,639
Originally Posted by PMMMDL View Post
From ATWonline:

Monday January 14, 2008
China Airlines will be announced as the next full member of the SkyTeam alliance this year, a source close to the carrier told ATWOnline. Talks between CI and SkyTeam members started last autumn.


by Kurt Hofmann
Do you know which specific dates for CI join entry ST? I remember CI does not join the alliance while ago either 2005 or 2006. It doesn't seem more reasonable CI will eventually join the ST Alliance. I'm ensure CI will begin negotiations with ST board members.
N830MH is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 2:03 pm
  #7  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: DFW
Programs: AA 1M
Posts: 26,781
For those who want the link:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other....37;2F14%2F2008
UA Fan is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 4:21 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Circle City
Posts: 3,562
Originally Posted by kiwiandrew View Post
I have to admit to being very surprised at this , I would have expected all the alliances to steer clear of Taiwanese carriers for fear of upsetting the PRC - it will be interesting to see what the PRC Government would think about CZ having any form of co-operation with CI
It may be easier in the next couple of years than in years past given the KMT's wins yesterday. There is a lot of talk right now of improving relations and doing more cross-strait business.
Darren is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 14, 08, 7:28 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC, ROC, HNL, PEN, BKK, KUL, SIN (check out http://my.flightmemory.com/kkua)
Programs: DL Diamond charter member; 2 million miler (45% from NWA, 2MM achieved 5/2018)
Posts: 681
Why would anybody invite CI to join any alliance boggles me. They've got a very shady safety record. Other than their convenient flight schedules, I am not going to sacrifice safety over ultra early bird/red eye flights across the Pacific.

It would make sense to invite MH or QR.
kkua is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 15, 08, 2:36 pm
  #10  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: MA
Programs: DL DM/2MM MR Platinum, HH Diamond, SPG Gold,
Posts: 8,418
Originally Posted by kkua View Post
Why would anybody invite CI to join any alliance boggles me. They've got a very shady safety record. Other than their convenient flight schedules, I am not going to sacrifice safety over ultra early bird/red eye flights across the Pacific.

It would make sense to invite MH or QR.
CI certainly had some cockpit management accidents in the 90s and earlier, but the only two incidents this century were an aging 747-200 that was on the verge of being sold that suffered a structural failure and the 737-800 that caught fire after landing in Okinawa this past summer. That incident (no fatalities) was due to faulty flap actuator bolts and led to a worldwide airworthiness directive to all B737 operators.

Neither of this incidents were the fault of CI or its crew/maintanence. The current fleet of CI aircraft averages under 6 years old, but the 737 fire shows that even a new plane can have issues.
RobertS975 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 15, 08, 5:12 pm
  #11  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: DFW
Programs: AA 1M
Posts: 26,781
Originally Posted by kkua View Post

It would make sense to invite MH or QR.
QR if it decides to join an alliance might join *.
UA Fan is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 16, 08, 3:06 am
  #12  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: UA 1K, DL PM
Posts: 4,108
This is certainly welcomed by me. With my recent frequent trips to the Philippines that won't be ending anytime soon, CI can cut a huge amount of travel time for me. Their schedule via TPE is great for us going to southern points in Asia and should be welcomed by you who need to use Skyteam to get to OZ too.

Its been a few years since I've flown on CI since I couldn't earn elite miles. I don't remember the planes being very modern, but the seat pitch in Y seemed decent. Their planes are no worse than MH (at least in Y) and the prices are frequently lower than alliance carriers. Safety really hasn't been an issue for many years... I was nervous about flying them before, but not now. Hey, maybe if we're lucky they'll allow F awards for DL, NW, or CO miles.

I really want to see MH in Skyteam just for awards wholly within SEA, but at the moment this is actually much better news for me.

Last edited by dvs7310; Jan 16, 08 at 3:18 am
dvs7310 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 16, 08, 6:14 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: 35,000 Ft above Earth
Programs: UA Prem Plat, CX MPC Silver, CI Dynasty Gold; HHonors Gold, Marriott Gold, SPG, IHG Ambassador
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by kiwiandrew View Post
... - it will be interesting to see what the PRC Government would think about CZ having any form of co-operation with CI , ... considering how poor Skyteams coverage of Asia is at the moment I would have thought that MH would have brought a lot more value to the alliance than the carrier of a country which brings with it major political baggage
CI already has commercial co-operation with CZ, CA and MU for many years. The PRC government isn't against such commercial ties between the two lands. I agree that it would bring more value to ST when and if MH joins the alliance.
jazzhou is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 20, 08, 8:38 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AA EXP, TP Gold, AS MVP
Posts: 160
Good news!

I will be glad to hear that CI is joining ST.

I am also hoping to see MH in ST too.

I tried to wrote to ST to encourage them to take in MH, but to no avail.
lky001 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 20, 08, 3:48 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: PSP
Programs: DL Plat, NW Gold, SPG Gold, AA, UA, BA
Posts: 110
OK, looks like I have to start reading up on my airline codes. I thought CZ was Czech, so what does it have to do with Asia?
DesertMoonDavid is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread