Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Global Airline Alliances > SkyTeam
Reload this Page >

Best Business/First Class SFO to Europe?

Best Business/First Class SFO to Europe?

Reply

Old Jan 11, 08, 9:46 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: United Arab Emirates & Arizona, USA
Programs: UA MM/1P, QR, EK, TK, Marriott Life Ti, Hilton Dia, IC Spire, Hyatt, Shangri-La
Posts: 4,056
Best Business/First Class SFO to Europe?

I am looking to book an award ticket in Business or First class from SFO to IST. I think that there are three one-stop options: AF through CDG, KL through AMS, or DL through JFK. Which is best? My number one priority is seat comfort -- whether it lies flat, etc.

With more than one stop, options increase to DL through SLC/CVG/ATL (maybe something better than a 767 over the Atlantic?) or CO through IAH/EWR, then through another hub in Europe. Maybe also other airlines (AZ, OK, SU) that don't warrant consideration.

Also, AF has three classes, and DL and KL only two, right? I have been underwhelmed by AF's (and, of course, DL's) business class, so I would be interested in AF first if it's much better, as well as in a comparison to KL.
mecabq is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 11, 08, 9:47 pm
  #2  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York, London, Sydney
Programs: United GS/2MM, DL*P, VS*G, AA*EXP, Avis CHM, Hertz Platinum, Sixt*D, HH*D, HGP*P, Starwood*P
Posts: 9,688
Af P > Af J > Co J > Nw J > Dl J > Kl J
stevenshev is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 12, 08, 3:17 pm
  #3  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 69,052
I don't think that AF F is hugely better than AF J. Better, but not a TON better.

If you fly DL or CO you're flying domestic F on the USA segment, and that is ~5-7 hours of the travel time, so keep that in mind. Similarly, the CDG/AMS-IST flight is going to be in intra-Europe J, which is domestic Y+, though that is shorter than the SFO-JFK flight would be.

Finally, depending on which carrier you've banked miles on, you likely won't be able to book into AF F; only FlyingBlue points can do that.

S.
sbm12 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 13, 08, 3:44 am
  #4  
Original Member
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, ex-BD Gold, SPG Gold, HH Gold
Posts: 2,033
Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
I don't think that AF F is hugely better than AF J. Better, but not a TON better.

If you fly DL or CO you're flying domestic F on the USA segment, and that is ~5-7 hours of the travel time, so keep that in mind. Similarly, the CDG/AMS-IST flight is going to be in intra-Europe J, which is domestic Y+, though that is shorter than the SFO-JFK flight would be.

Finally, depending on which carrier you've banked miles on, you likely won't be able to book into AF F; only FlyingBlue points can do that.

S.
How does AF short-haul J companre to KL short-haul J? I know KL is towards the bottom of the spectrum in Europe, but have heard better reports about AF. That said, connecting at CDG may be something to be avoided.
chalf is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 08, 4:22 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CA
Programs: This game has lost its luster.
Posts: 6,671
Originally Posted by chalf View Post
How does AF short-haul J companre to KL short-haul J? I know KL is towards the bottom of the spectrum in Europe, but have heard better reports about AF. That said, connecting at CDG may be something to be avoided.
I have the same question for AF and KL Y as well as J.
boxo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 3, 08, 11:53 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 3,169
CO would be the best product, if they actually flew to IST. Id go DL through ATL or JFK. youll get doestic FC seats and service with AVOD at your seat.

youll then get a 767 to IST. DL's seats are narrow, but fine unless you are pretty large. also with AVOD (most AC). you also get the convenience of connecting in the US rather than the EU. DL's will give you Crown room access in SFO and access to their Bizelite lounge in ATL/JFK.

ive heard connections in CDG are disaterous. Ive heard AMS is great but KL isnt that great. middle seats in their biz class (AF too).
dlen111 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 4, 08, 9:15 am
  #7  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Programs: HH Gold; AA AAdvantage Mbr
Posts: 2,450
Originally Posted by dlen111 View Post
CO would be the best product, if they actually flew to IST. Id go DL through ATL or JFK. youll get doestic FC seats and service with AVOD at your seat.

youll then get a 767 to IST. DL's seats are narrow, but fine unless you are pretty large. also with AVOD (most AC). you also get the convenience of connecting in the US rather than the EU. DL's will give you Crown room access in SFO and access to their Bizelite lounge in ATL/JFK.

ive heard connections in CDG are disaterous. Ive heard AMS is great but KL isnt that great. middle seats in their biz class (AF too).
My partner connected thru CDG a couple wks ago, and said it was much better than the last time (a couple yrs ago). He said you really do have to pay attention to signage, as walking routes between terminals are not intuitive, but he said it looked like they had tried to improve the transit experience.
gsupstate is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread