SkyTeam Falling Further Behind Star
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SkyTeam Falling Further Behind Star
Star Alliance has just added three new airlines to its already impressive roster: Asiana, LOT and Spanair. SkyTeam keeps falling further back in the alliance game, IMO.
Spanair would have been a great codeshare partner for DL and AeroMexico. Codeshares to various Spanair destinations could have been possible from the feed from DL's BCN and MAD flights as well as AM flights to MAD.
Hopefully. something will come of the speculation about TG and/or JA joining SkyTeam.
Am I correct in assuming that similar to SkyTeam, any flight on a * member carrier counts towards elite status?
Spanair would have been a great codeshare partner for DL and AeroMexico. Codeshares to various Spanair destinations could have been possible from the feed from DL's BCN and MAD flights as well as AM flights to MAD.
Hopefully. something will come of the speculation about TG and/or JA joining SkyTeam.
Am I correct in assuming that similar to SkyTeam, any flight on a * member carrier counts towards elite status?
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Miles earned on both *A and OW are elite qualifying...
DL is really in a lousy position as far as alliances, especially in Asia, are concerned. Air China was suppossed to be signed up shortly, but last weeks crash put them off again. KE is a full member again, but they have also had safety problems in the past.
At the same time, the lack of recognition in using other partner airlines' lounges for those less that DL Plat. is embarrassing. Both OW and *A give lounge priviledges to int'l flights on partners to 2nd tier members and not just their top members.
DL is really in a lousy position as far as alliances, especially in Asia, are concerned. Air China was suppossed to be signed up shortly, but last weeks crash put them off again. KE is a full member again, but they have also had safety problems in the past.
At the same time, the lack of recognition in using other partner airlines' lounges for those less that DL Plat. is embarrassing. Both OW and *A give lounge priviledges to int'l flights on partners to 2nd tier members and not just their top members.
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Spanair would have been a great codeshare partner for DL and AeroMexico. Codeshares to various Spanair destinations could have been possible from the feed from DL's BCN and MAD flights as well as AM flights to MAD.
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Spanair would have been a great codeshare partner for DL and AeroMexico. Codeshares to various Spanair destinations could have been possible from the feed from DL's BCN and MAD flights as well as AM flights to MAD.
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I agree that SkyTeam need to add some more Asian members. Thai or JAL would be great.
Also the South Pacific would be great, but which airlines are left there?
A partner in South American could be beneficial, so you do more inter continent flights.
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What's up with SkyTeam's tendency to associate with/attract the world's most dangerous carriers? SU, KE, and CI all in one alliance??? What the hell was DL/AF thinking?!
It appears SkyTeam is taking a "Wings" approach: do nothing but interline the carriers you already have and hope to god that there'll still be someone left once you're done with that. One(HeathroW)orld seems to be taking that approach as well. Star is grab-now-ask-later, and it's gotten some **** good carriers with very few mistakes in between as a result.
Why is there so much speculation for TG in SkyTeam. True that it's the one alliance where they'll actually be NEEDED and held in highest regard, as opposed to being second-rate in Star; but LH is not going to let them go quietly, and from the looks of it... they'd rather be 2nd rate in a great alliance than worshipped in a pitiful one.
One positive note for SkyTeam out of this is that Star just set a precedent for having members at both NRT and ICN. If SkyTeam really can woo JAL, which I hope/doubt they can, then that'd be great for the alliance.
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It appears SkyTeam is taking a "Wings" approach: do nothing but interline the carriers you already have and hope to god that there'll still be someone left once you're done with that. One(HeathroW)orld seems to be taking that approach as well. Star is grab-now-ask-later, and it's gotten some **** good carriers with very few mistakes in between as a result.
Why is there so much speculation for TG in SkyTeam. True that it's the one alliance where they'll actually be NEEDED and held in highest regard, as opposed to being second-rate in Star; but LH is not going to let them go quietly, and from the looks of it... they'd rather be 2nd rate in a great alliance than worshipped in a pitiful one.
One positive note for SkyTeam out of this is that Star just set a precedent for having members at both NRT and ICN. If SkyTeam really can woo JAL, which I hope/doubt they can, then that'd be great for the alliance.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ConcordeBoy:
What's up with SkyTeam's tendency to associate with/attract the world's most dangerous carriers? SU, KE, and CI all in one alliance??? What the hell was DL/AF thinking?!
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What's up with SkyTeam's tendency to associate with/attract the world's most dangerous carriers? SU, KE, and CI all in one alliance??? What the hell was DL/AF thinking?!
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Out of curiousity, when was Skyteam even considered to be close to *A or OW? I have always considered it to be a second tier alliance.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rssrsvp:
Out of curiousity, when was Skyteam even considered to be close to *A or OW? I have always considered it to be a second tier alliance.
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Out of curiousity, when was Skyteam even considered to be close to *A or OW? I have always considered it to be a second tier alliance.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rssrsvp:
Out of curiousity, when was Skyteam even considered to be close to *A or OW? I have always considered it to be a second tier alliance.
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Out of curiousity, when was Skyteam even considered to be close to *A or OW? I have always considered it to be a second tier alliance.
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number_6:
Step 1: Delta Buys Continental (or vice versa, if that's how it has to be)
Step 2: JFK closed in favor of EWR; CLE closed in favor of CVG; DFW closed in favor of IAH
Step 3: DAL + CAL = DAL - $2 billion
Step 4: Duh?
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Step 1: Delta Buys Continental (or vice versa, if that's how it has to be)
Step 2: JFK closed in favor of EWR; CLE closed in favor of CVG; DFW closed in favor of IAH
Step 3: DAL + CAL = DAL - $2 billion
Step 4: Duh?
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Number 6, I agree that ST can turn things around dramatically in a hurry. I haven't heard the SQ rumors previous to your post. Most rumors centered on Thai leaving to join ST.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RobertS975:
Number 6, I agree that ST can turn things around dramatically in a hurry. I haven't heard the SQ rumors previous to your post. Most rumors centered on Thai leaving to join ST. </font>
Number 6, I agree that ST can turn things around dramatically in a hurry. I haven't heard the SQ rumors previous to your post. Most rumors centered on Thai leaving to join ST. </font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RobertS975:
SkyTeam has never been close to the others either in terms of capability or in terms of seamless service. But we can always keep hoping, can't we?</font>
SkyTeam has never been close to the others either in terms of capability or in terms of seamless service. But we can always keep hoping, can't we?</font>
OneHeathroWorld is by far the WORST alliance for lack of seamless service in existence. Not to mention $#!tty FFP integration.
If you compare their fact sheets, for being a year younger and 2 carriers smaller; SkyTeam has actually done a remarkable job of nipping at OneWorld's heels. I think the gap is widening though
http://skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyteam/doc/fact_sheet.doc
http://www.oneworld.com/pressroom/se...s/F000b501.doc
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by number_6:
It is very sad ... DL was all set with SQ and SR but then AF insisted that it all end. SQ reluctantly joined Star ...
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It is very sad ... DL was all set with SQ and SR but then AF insisted that it all end. SQ reluctantly joined Star ...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ConcordeBoy:
And that's nothing to sneeze at, Thai is no joke! </font>
And that's nothing to sneeze at, Thai is no joke! </font>
The airline's top executive agreed with him, saying improvement were needed.
On second thought, that should put them at the top of Skyteam's list.