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(Very) Tentative RTW itin- is it legal?comments?

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Old Jan 25, 05, 4:32 am
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(Very) Tentative RTW itin- is it legal?comments?

Thinking of doing this split between late Summer 2005 and early Summer 2006.
Aim: To visit interesting destinations that are far/expensive to get to from Europe, without having to set foot on the US and deal with their ridiculous visa/security policies.
MPM: 29000. Class: Business. Cost: Hopefully around 2500 GBP + an arm, a leg and a kidney for taxes and charges.

AZ: ZAG-MXP-ACC
AZ: ACC-MXP
OK: MXP-PRG
OK: PRG-YYZ
KE: YYZ-ICN-NRT
KE (preferably NW but they haven't been brought into ST RTW): NRT-ICN-PVG
KE:PVG-ICN
KE: ICN-BOM
DL: BOM-CDG
AF: CDG-ZAG

Didn't go for AF longhauls as I'd only get 50% COS bonus, and don't know when/if the NTC will be consistently available on the routes.
Where can I find some definite info on the exact figures used to calculate mileage?
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Old Jan 26, 05, 7:15 pm
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Old Jan 27, 05, 2:35 pm
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Unless things have changed, RTW fares are based on using only two airlines. I don't think you can mix and match your own segments, then get a RYW fare. Each airline has several "partner" options for RTW, so you just have to call them and ask.
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Old Jan 27, 05, 5:33 pm
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Unless things have changed, RTW fares are based on using only two airlines. I don't think you can mix and match your own segments, then get a RYW fare. Each airline has several "partner" options for RTW, so you just have to call them and ask.
?? Could you elaborate? AFAIK one can use all of the "old" Skyteam partners with a RTW ticket.
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Old Jan 27, 05, 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by graraps
?? Could you elaborate? AFAIK one can use all of the "old" Skyteam partners with a RTW ticket.
Other than "specials" where one uses, e.g., EVERY member of the alliance, in my experience I could not do a trip as you are planning.

Call one of the poartners, and ask if you can do the RTW as you have planned. I will be very interested to see if this is possible (in the past, I had to rely on the airline to tell me what leg/partner I can/cannot use; and thus modify my itinerary accordingly). Good luck!
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Old Jan 27, 05, 10:45 pm
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Other than "specials" where one uses, e.g., EVERY member of the alliance, in my experience I could not do a trip as you are planning.
Surely that can't be true! I mean, for example, *A seems to have about 4738916814296 member airlines- it is not feasible to use all of them within a trip! Unless you are referring to a Skyteam-specific rule that I've never heard of.

I guess I will be calling to verify, but I don't think they will be able to tell me anything about it apart from "we will look this up for you and come back with an answer within 10 working days". and that's assuming the Alitalia rep in Croatia speaks decent English.
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Originally Posted by graraps
Surely that can't be true! I mean, for example, *A seems to have about 4738916814296 member airlines- it is not feasible to use all of them within a trip! Unless you are referring to a Skyteam-specific rule that I've never heard of.

I guess I will be calling to verify, but I don't think they will be able to tell me anything about it apart from "we will look this up for you and come back with an answer within 10 working days". and that's assuming the Alitalia rep in Croatia speaks decent English.
I would be amazed if this two-carrier-only thing were true.

I had reserved an RTW award ticket on AF/DL/AM/AZ last year, and I would be stunned if the revenue ticket rules were more restrictive than those for the award ticket.
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Originally Posted by graraps
AZ: ZAG-MXP-ACC
AZ: ACC-MXP
OK: MXP-PRG
OK: PRG-YYZ
KE: YYZ-ICN-NRT
KE (preferably NW but they haven't been brought into ST RTW): NRT-ICN-PVG
KE:PVG-ICN
KE: ICN-BOM
DL: BOM-CDG
AF: CDG-ZAG
As far as I can tell this should be fine from a partner basis. All these would be perfectly legal on a Skyteam RTW. You can use the Great Circle Mapper to calculate mileage.

Great Circle mapper calculates the route as 28210 miles :
ZAG (4544'35"N 1604'08"E) MXP (4537'50"N 0843'41"E) 355 mi
MXP (4537'50"N 0843'41"E) ACC (0536'19"N 0010'00"W) 2807 mi
ACC (0536'19"N 0010'00"W) MXP (4537'50"N 0843'41"E) 2807 mi
MXP (4537'50"N 0843'41"E) PRG (5006'03"N 1415'36"E) 402 mi
PRG (5006'03"N 1415'36"E) YYZ (4340'38"N 7937'50"W) 4165 mi
YYZ (4340'38"N 7937'50"W) ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) 6612 mi
ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) NRT (3545'53"N 14023'11"E) 783 mi
NRT (3545'53"N 14023'11"E) ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) 783 mi
ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) PVG (3108'34"N 12147'33"E) 511 mi
PVG (3108'34"N 12147'33"E) ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) 511 mi
ICN (3728'09"N 12627'02"E) BOM (1905'19"N 7252'05"E) 3451 mi
BOM (1905'19"N 7252'05"E) CDG (4900'46"N 0233'00"E) 4350 mi
CDG (4900'46"N 0233'00"E) ZAG (4544'35"N 1604'08"E) 672 mi

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As far as I can tell this should be fine from a partner basis. All these would be perfectly legal on a Skyteam RTW. You can use the Great Circle Mapper to calculate mileage.
I did use the GCM but there were some serious (5-7%) discrepancies between it and the OK mileage calculator. I can not rely on the latter as it doesn't give any info for shorter flights- just says you'll be awarded the 500/1000 mile minimum.
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As far as I know, you can use as many carriers within the SkyTeam alliance participating in the RTW ticket. This is true of the Star Alliance and OneWorld RTW tickets and I can't see SkyTeam putting more restrictions.

The only issue that may arise is that in the fare rules of some RTW tickets you MUST have a flight over the atlantic ocean and a flight over the pacific ocean (and you can only have one of each). As far as I can tell your itinerary does not have any flights over either of those oceans.
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Originally Posted by jolly82
The only issue that may arise is that in the fare rules of some RTW tickets you MUST have a flight over the atlantic ocean and a flight over the pacific ocean (and you can only have one of each). As far as I can tell your itinerary does not have any flights over either of those oceans.
PRG-YYZ certainly sounds like a trans-Atlantic flight to me.
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PRG-YYZ certainly sounds like a trans-Atlantic flight to me.
Yes it does - I didn't notice YYZ.

YYZ-ICN is a trans-Pacific flight, so there should be no problem with this itinerary.
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Fyi

For anyone interested, the AZ res office in the UK agrees that it's a legal routing and calculates the total miles for this trip to be 28627....Still under the MPM but quite a lot more than GCMapper's calculation.
Anyone got any ideas to get a couple of hundred extra miles out of it?
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Old Feb 4, 05, 3:50 pm
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Why not go for one of the EUR2200ish J ex-CAI RTW on 9W/AS/CM/CO/EK/FJ/KL/KQ/MA/MH/NW/NF/PH/SB/SA/TN/UL/UX

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Old Feb 4, 05, 5:22 pm
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Why not go for one of the EUR2200ish J ex-CAI RTW on 9W/AS/CM/CO/EK/FJ/KL/KQ/MA/MH/NW/NF/PH/SB/SA/TN/UL/UX

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Do you have a link or reference for pricing for this? Is it the same as the KL "Passport to the world" program?
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