Why is SAUDIA not showing up on DELTA
Jun 10, 2012, 4:54 am
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Why is SAUDIA not showing up on DELTA
Saudi Arabian Airlines - SAUDIA joined Skyteam on May 29, 2012.
So why doesnt it show up under Skymiles - Earn Miles - Airline Partners ?
When does earning and redeemign miles on Saudia begin?
So why doesnt it show up under Skymiles - Earn Miles - Airline Partners ?
When does earning and redeemign miles on Saudia begin?
Jun 10, 2012, 1:48 pm
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I don;t want to start a controversy, but there is something about overt discrimination that makes it better than covert, like profiling, yet denying profiling.
Code sharing is something entirely different. Two member of an alliance don't have to code-share.
I suspect, what the OP was asking was that Saudia is not showing up on the list of airline partners.
By definition all members of an alliance are partners. This raises the question, can you earn Medallion Qualifying miles on Saudia? If yes, it must be a DL partner. Then why isn't it showing up on the list or airline partners.
Jun 10, 2012, 3:24 pm
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Saudi wanted Delta to discriminate Jews on all Delta flights including US domestic flights. Delta instead decided not to code-share with Saudi Arabian Airlines because of this. Why should an airline in a multicultural country be forced to alienate some of their current customers. Delta stated they r flying into Saudi Arabia but are not code-sharing due to discrimination. They stated they are working with congress to find a solution to the whole Saudi problem and for passengers to check the entry requirements for international countries when flying so they do not alienate their current customers
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Jun 10, 2012, 5:23 pm
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Jun 10, 2012, 7:05 pm
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Really? Please cite how exactly Saudia was planning on doing any of that??!!
I have flown Saudia many times and been to KSA more times then I can count. I have never seen Saudia ask nor care what the religions or nationalities of their passengers are/were (except for citizens of Israel, but more on that in a minute). Now, some people were influences by a panicky false e-mail that made the rounds quoting a LA councilperson or California state Senator, or some other extremely minor politician, and that made the rounds, and was quickly disavowed by many that carried or transmitted it.
The issue has to do with visas.
1) A person wishing just to transit KSA needs no visa so there is no issue.
2) A person who wishes to visit KSA needs a visa and must have a real purpose to go there and therefore be invited. KSA generally has no such tourist visa category.
3) They ask religion on their visa forms, if you do not fill it in, you will get a visa. If you fill it in as Jewish, you probably will STILL get a visa. If you fill it in as Shi'a you also may not get a visa these days.
4) If you have Israeli stamps in your passport you may be denied entry.
I should mention that I know at least a half dozen Jewish people who regularly do business in KSA and have never had an issue, one of who also regularly frequents Israel.
Now I can name a couple dozen other countries that have similar provisions on their books against those who have Israeli stamps in their passports, the vast majority do not enforce them and for that matter this has been an issue for so long that it is why many ask for their Israeli stamps on a separate piece of paper and why the Israelis regularly do this.
I have flown Saudia many times and been to KSA more times then I can count. I have never seen Saudia ask nor care what the religions or nationalities of their passengers are/were (except for citizens of Israel, but more on that in a minute). Now, some people were influences by a panicky false e-mail that made the rounds quoting a LA councilperson or California state Senator, or some other extremely minor politician, and that made the rounds, and was quickly disavowed by many that carried or transmitted it.
The issue has to do with visas.
1) A person wishing just to transit KSA needs no visa so there is no issue.
2) A person who wishes to visit KSA needs a visa and must have a real purpose to go there and therefore be invited. KSA generally has no such tourist visa category.
3) They ask religion on their visa forms, if you do not fill it in, you will get a visa. If you fill it in as Jewish, you probably will STILL get a visa. If you fill it in as Shi'a you also may not get a visa these days.
4) If you have Israeli stamps in your passport you may be denied entry.
I should mention that I know at least a half dozen Jewish people who regularly do business in KSA and have never had an issue, one of who also regularly frequents Israel.
Now I can name a couple dozen other countries that have similar provisions on their books against those who have Israeli stamps in their passports, the vast majority do not enforce them and for that matter this has been an issue for so long that it is why many ask for their Israeli stamps on a separate piece of paper and why the Israelis regularly do this.
Jun 10, 2012, 8:12 pm
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In response to the above question:
There is no evidence of that.
It is possible to be members of the same alliance while both: not code-sharing on some/many/any/all flights; and not giving flight credit for some/many flights. What would be unprecedented since the three big global airline alliances came into being would be denial of any credit for all flights of an alliance member. It is still to be seen how this is going to go over.
There is no evidence of that.
Which races do they discriminate against?
I don;t want to start a controversy, but there is something about overt discrimination that makes it better than covert, like profiling, yet denying profiling.
Code sharing is something entirely different. Two member of an alliance don't have to code-share.
I suspect, what the OP was asking was that Saudia is not showing up on the list of airline partners.
By definition all members of an alliance are partners. This raises the question, can you earn Medallion Qualifying miles on Saudia? If yes, it must be a DL partner. Then why isn't it showing up on the list or airline partners.
I don;t want to start a controversy, but there is something about overt discrimination that makes it better than covert, like profiling, yet denying profiling.
Code sharing is something entirely different. Two member of an alliance don't have to code-share.
I suspect, what the OP was asking was that Saudia is not showing up on the list of airline partners.
By definition all members of an alliance are partners. This raises the question, can you earn Medallion Qualifying miles on Saudia? If yes, it must be a DL partner. Then why isn't it showing up on the list or airline partners.
Jun 10, 2012, 9:34 pm
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Any press release, any articles to support this?
Jun 11, 2012, 10:01 am
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sorry about that it wouldn't log me on there were articles in the Fox News, Huffington Post, Atlanta Business Journal and the Atlanta Jewish News as well as many other sites
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...udi-agreement/
http://www.ajc.com/business/saudi-ar...s-1448779.html
The latter links talks about Delta not codesharing with Saudia
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...udi-agreement/
http://www.ajc.com/business/saudi-ar...s-1448779.html
The latter links talks about Delta not codesharing with Saudia
Jun 11, 2012, 10:15 am
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sorry about that it wouldn't log me on there were articles in the Fox News, Huffington Post, Atlanta Business Journal and the Atlanta Jewish News as well as many other sites
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...udi-agreement/
http://www.ajc.com/business/saudi-ar...s-1448779.html
The latter links talks about Delta not codesharing with Saudia
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...udi-agreement/
http://www.ajc.com/business/saudi-ar...s-1448779.html
The latter links talks about Delta not codesharing with Saudia
Further, the AJC article plainly states that DL will allow earning of miles, lounge access, etc., which is really the whole point of this thread.
Jun 11, 2012, 10:16 am
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And they never ever planned on codesharing in the first place!
Sort of like if I wrote an article saying that J_fleish might in fact be a murderer because he went to high school with one, or spuriously asking if because you work with a company that had tax problems that you in fact do not plan on cheating on YOUR taxes in the future.
The Fox article was preposterous, and the AJC article in effect stated nothing more than that this tempest in a teapot happened last year and and has now passed.
At the end of the day, Israelis cannot travel to Saudi, nor can they travel to a bunch of other countries, at the end of the day that is ISRAEL's problem, not anyone else's and has been occurring for over 60 years.
Sort of like if I wrote an article saying that J_fleish might in fact be a murderer because he went to high school with one, or spuriously asking if because you work with a company that had tax problems that you in fact do not plan on cheating on YOUR taxes in the future.
The Fox article was preposterous, and the AJC article in effect stated nothing more than that this tempest in a teapot happened last year and and has now passed.
At the end of the day, Israelis cannot travel to Saudi, nor can they travel to a bunch of other countries, at the end of the day that is ISRAEL's problem, not anyone else's and has been occurring for over 60 years.
Jun 11, 2012, 1:09 pm
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Gotta love that FOX News article ... its so fair and balanced 
Do these people not know that the USA has long ago sold their soul to the Saudis for oil.
If Delta wanted to make a stand, they should stop buying Saudi oil and leave the alliance.
btw, if Saudi discriminates against Jews, what do you call the incidents of discrimination and racism in the USA, like the time the imams got pulled off a flight for praying.....
Do these people not know that the USA has long ago sold their soul to the Saudis for oil.
If Delta wanted to make a stand, they should stop buying Saudi oil and leave the alliance.
btw, if Saudi discriminates against Jews, what do you call the incidents of discrimination and racism in the USA, like the time the imams got pulled off a flight for praying.....