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china eastern airlines will join in ST
MU likes to join in ST.
In this week,MU will declare it. Then in china,there are CZ/MU/FM in ST. GOOD NEWS! |
Do you have a source? And what does this mean for Shanghai Airlines?
Given their current financial situations, you'd have to hope they'll pull through. http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...--garuda/page1 |
a dark day for FFlyers
The day MU gets in any alliance would be a DARK day for Frequent flyers anywhere in the world.
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Originally Posted by sebastravel
The day MU gets in any alliance would be a DARK day for Frequent flyers anywhere in the world.
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Originally Posted by Zazza
(Post 13167068)
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Why? Can you please be more explicit? I was working in China at the time, and even my Chinese colleagues thought China Eastern was bad (and that I was brave for flying with them). |
Originally Posted by alex0683de
(Post 13167106)
MU are dreadful. I've flown them on two trips (SHA-PEK-SHA and PVG-HKG-PVG), and I really hope I never have to see the inside of one of their aircraft again.
I was working in China at the time, and even my Chinese colleagues thought China Eastern was bad (and that I was brave for flying with them). |
Looks like SkyTeam is really getting back at Star and CO. Not very good news for me personally though.
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What is told about MU is exagerated. I flew a lot inside China on their planes, never have any problem (in F class). As I left ST for *A, this is not a good news, especially if FM moves also to ST. On one part I understand ST strategy about Chinese market, on the other , I still see that there is no ***** company in eastern Asia in ST and this is a pity. About international flights, I took one time MU from PVG to CDG in business, looks like a very average cy no less no more, nothing realy to complain, nothing exiting too.
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Bad news for me. So I have only one Air China flight between SHA and CAN now.
really bad.... |
Originally Posted by JC25
(Post 13171249)
What is told about MU is exagerated.
CA on the other hand has given me the most delays, but I continue to fly them (and FM - old planes) to keep my status within *A. |
I found MU to be the worst of mainland Chinese carriers.
Poor customer service combined with lots of delays and cancellations. (Don't even ask for wine in F on domestic Chinese routes, but that goes for all of the airlines there). |
Originally Posted by PMMMDL
(Post 13183346)
I found MU to be the worst of mainland Chinese carriers.
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Originally Posted by PMMMDL
(Post 13183346)
I found MU to be the worst of mainland Chinese carriers.
Poor customer service combined with lots of delays and cancellations. (Don't even ask for wine in F on domestic Chinese routes, but that goes for all of the airlines there). However, MU need to have be best guaranteed to get better on-time performance. The passengers should have to be there at the gate on-time and must to be there at airport is 2.5 hours in advance. Help the passengers need to get speedy check-in at the ticket counter, baggage drop, first class lines. It will have to be reductions the security concerns in China. If you considering to get better passengers arrangement. MU will have try more console up to help the passengers to get better on-time performance and not to be late the time. |
Originally Posted by sebastravel
(Post 13164790)
The day MU gets in any alliance would be a DARK day for Frequent flyers anywhere in the world.
MU domestic has never been a particularly good experience for me - but then neither has any other PRC domestic carrier. |
Originally Posted by N830MH
(Post 13184887)
It need to fixed the congestions control in PEK/PVG and others destinations in China. I can't personally why MU are not good service and it was very poorly on-time performance.
Originally Posted by dgwright99
(Post 13184958)
MU J and F on the TPAC routes are very competitive products, often at a great price.
MU domestic has never been a particularly good experience for me - but then neither has any other PRC domestic carrier. |
Originally Posted by toyotaboy95
(Post 13191334)
No airline dares to challenge the PRC govt. fearing they'll revoke their licences.:D
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Originally Posted by toyotaboy95
(Post 13191334)
Blame the military. No airline dares to challenge the PRC govt. fearing they'll revoke their licences.:D I think that also explains why SZX flights are usually delayed while HKG is ontime.
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I've flown them a lot, but personally never fly Chinese carriers in anything less than J or F. Ido find them worst than Air China or CZ, equal to Hainan, and better then pretty much every other Chinese carrier. In other words, they are okay.
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I don't understand all these bad reported feelings about domestic chinese flights. I could be true some years ago, especially FM. But nowadays, not at all.
Don't mix airports organisation which are complicated enough, due to sometimes staffs non professional behaviour, and also chinese people behaviour (sometimes .. ok ...forget it) and the comfort and staff in the planes. In Y , really I don't know. (to crowded, with nightmares queues, sorry) but in F (finally only 2 times Y fares) I never had any problem : AC, FM, MU, CZ. Chinese style for sure, but if one are there, we don't expect SQ or MH styles. 99% of my flights were on time. I can't say that from AF, LH, LX, KL .... even on middle haul flights. |
Originally Posted by sniles
(Post 13191511)
Make that almost no airline. Rumor has it that last year KLM did something to piss off the Shanghai Airport Authority (state owned) and have since had recurring problems and delays at PVG (i can confirm the delays are true).
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Originally Posted by CXBA
(Post 13223620)
that may explain why KLM decided to start flying to Hangzhou.
It seems more likely to me. HGH is no substitue to PVG ! |
Originally Posted by MUFFP
(Post 13164305)
MU likes to join in ST.
In this week,MU will declare it. Then in china,there are CZ/MU/FM in ST. GOOD NEWS! |
For the purpose of earning/using miles, did china eastern airlines join Skyteam or any other alliance yet?
Thanks! |
Not yet, probably they will decide within 20 days ! That's what they said...:cool:
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Originally Posted by Kalboz
(Post 13289669)
For the purpose of earning/using miles, did china eastern airlines join Skyteam or any other alliance yet?
Thanks! I am awaiting for the official announcement as I have half dozen flights on it coming up. |
AA in aliance talks with China Eastern
Well it looks like AA is also talking about having China Eastern join One World:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61N6H420100224 |
Official news:
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR. *A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership. 2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM. FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status. 3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes. |
Originally Posted by SKRan
(Post 13468710)
Official news:
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR. *A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership. 2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM. FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status. 3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes. |
The announcement has again been delayed.
China Eastern will announce its membership of an airline alliance in April, Liu told reporters on the sidelines of the National People's Congress. He didn't give any details. |
Interesting article .... but the last sentence had me rolling on the floor laughing .
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_9694742.htm Meanwhile, speculation is rife on which of the world's three airline alliances will win China Eastern's favor. Currently the Shanghai-based carrier is the last of the nation's three major airlines without membership in any alliance. Despite wavering for several years, China Eastern is now ready to make its final choice at the end of April, said Liu. "We will tell you which airline alliance we will enter by the end of April," Liu told the press on Tuesday. After an impressive tie-up with its former local rival Shanghai Airlines, China Eastern Airlines has made joining one of the three international airline networks - Star Alliance, Sky Team, or Oneworld - a priority. .....Some analysts expected Liu to join the Sky Team, but Gao said it is better to choose another alliance due to competing relations between China Southern and China Eastern. "Oneworld will be China Eastern's final choice, although it is smaller in size than the other two. But it also has stellar members like American Airlines, British Airways, Canadian Airlines and Cathay Pacific," Gao noted. Has Mr Gao perhaps been asleep for the last 9 years ? |
FM, or Shanghai Airlines is a "proud" member of *A.
It is NOT a member of ST.
Originally Posted by MUFFP
(Post 13164305)
MU likes to join in ST.
In this week,MU will declare it. Then in china,there are CZ/MU/FM in ST. GOOD NEWS! |
Interesting article .... but the last sentence had me rolling on the floor laughing . http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_9694742.htm Meanwhile, speculation is rife on which of the world's three airline alliances will win China Eastern's favor. Currently the Shanghai-based carrier is the last of the nation's three major airlines without membership in any alliance. Despite wavering for several years, China Eastern is now ready to make its final choice at the end of April, said Liu. "We will tell you which airline alliance we will enter by the end of April," Liu told the press on Tuesday. After an impressive tie-up with its former local rival Shanghai Airlines, China Eastern Airlines has made joining one of the three international airline networks - Star Alliance, Sky Team, or Oneworld - a priority. .....Some analysts expected Liu to join the Sky Team, but Gao said it is better to choose another alliance due to competing relations between China Southern and China Eastern. "Oneworld will be China Eastern's final choice, although it is smaller in size than the other two. But it also has stellar members like American Airlines, British Airways, Canadian Airlines and Cathay Pacific," Gao noted. Has Mr Gao perhaps been asleep for the last 9 years ? My 2-fen guess is MU/FM will join OW and comrade chairman will be promoted to another prestigious post with an appropriate compensation. |
Originally Posted by flytofly
(Post 13726227)
FM, or Shanghai Airlines is a "proud" member of *A.
It is NOT a member of ST. |
For some reason, the PRC government doesn't like oneworld, they've blocked the website on the mainland.
I don't find any part of it "offensive" though?:confused: |
Originally Posted by toyotaboy95
(Post 13730596)
For some reason, the PRC government doesn't like oneworld, they've blocked the website on the mainland.
I don't find any part of it "offensive" though?:confused: If a PRC carrier ever did join Oneworld then an objection from that airline would soon see the website unblocked. Nothing to do with disliking Oneworld the alliance. |
Sounds like China Eastern have confirmed they plan to join SkyTeam by mid-2011 - http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...-skyteam/page1
Interestingly, "China Eastern's accession into SkyTeam next year will also put further distance between it and Singapore Airlines, which failed in its bid for the airline in early 2008, as a result of effective interference in the bidding process by Air China. China Eastern, which is seeking an investment partner, is likely to be courting Air France-KLM and/or Delta, which missed out in its pursuit of Japan Airlines in Feb-2010 to the oneworld alliance." |
From the horse's mouth.
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