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SIA transfer 2 of 3 Daily Penang flight to MI from 01JUN09

SIA transfer 2 of 3 Daily Penang flight to MI from 01JUN09

Old Apr 30, 09, 12:38 am
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SIA transfer 2 of 3 Daily Penang flight to MI from 01JUN09

Singapore Airlines starting 01JUN09 is transferring 2 of 3 Daily Singapore - Penang service to SilkAir.

Afternoon and evening SIA service will be withdrawn from 01JUN09. SIA will codeshare on SilkAir service

SQ192 SIN0805 - 0930PEN D
MI356/SQ5356 SIN1510 - 1635PEN D
MI358/SQ5360 SIN1855 - 2020PEN D

SQ191 PEN1035 - 1150SIN D
MI355/SQ5355 PEN1725 - 1850SIN D
MI357/SQ5359 PEN2115 - 2240SIN D
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Old May 3, 09, 4:10 am
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That's pretty disappointing since *G will no longer have access to lounges, priority check-in etc when traveling on the MI flights.

I was on the evening flights (SQ 197/8) last month and the loads were reasonable. Perhaps they are looking to free up aircraft or lower operating costs?
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Old May 3, 09, 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by Coathanger View Post
I was on the evening flights (SQ 197/8) last month and the loads were reasonable. Perhaps they are looking to free up aircraft or lower operating costs?
There's going to be increased competition on the SIN-PEN route once AK, FY, 3K and TR start doing their daily flights. SQ is bound to lose a portion of its passengers due to cheaper fares offered by the competing carriers but then again some passengers will stay with SQ; so instead of sending 772s on 3 daily flights to maintain the frequencies which will experience a fall in LF, why not downgauge 2 to 319/320 eqpt.
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Old May 3, 09, 6:08 am
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.........so instead of sending 772s on 3 daily flights to maintain the frequencies which will experience a fall in LF, why not downgauge 2 to 319/320 eqpt.
Isn't this what SQ is planning to do?

SQ has no aircraft smaller than 772. MI uses [email protected]:-)
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Old May 3, 09, 6:40 am
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SQ Spiral?

Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
Isn't this what SQ is planning to do?

SQ has no aircraft smaller than 772. MI uses [email protected]:-)
And I understand Bali will be next.

Followed by Jakarta, Manila, Hong Kong, ..........?

Perhaps within a few years Silk Air will be flying to UK and Australia.

Is this a case of SQ Management fiddling while SQ burns?
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Old May 3, 09, 10:12 am
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Is this a case of SQ Management fiddling while SQ burns?
In a word? Yes.

SQ's CEO and senior management sure picked a fine time (2007-2008) to screw over their most loyal customers -- best of luck to these arrogant morons if they believe they can go to the well with the jilted PPS crowd one more time.
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Originally Posted by crazycrab955 View Post
In a word? Yes.

SQ's CEO and senior management sure picked a fine time (2007-2008) to screw over their most loyal customers -- best of luck to these arrogant morons if they believe they can go to the well with the jilted PPS crowd one more time.
I wonder if in a few years people will put this decision up there with other "famous" decisions. Say, Coke 2.
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SQ need to reign in costs in the same way that Qantas has used JetStar to take over primarily leisure routes, and MI preserves the full-service but at a lower operating cost.

I have no issue with a smaller plane or the route being operated as a subsidiary, just get MI into Star Alliance as a regional member or honor the *G benefits as a goodwill gesture during the economic downturn since the lounge overcrowding argument holds no water when premium cabins are getting hit hardest.

And with some of the money they are saving by switching operations over to MI, add some showers to the KrisFlyer Gold lounge in SIN T3!
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Old May 4, 09, 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by Coathanger View Post
SQ need to reign in costs in the same way that Qantas has used JetStar to take over primarily leisure routes, and MI preserves the full-service but at a lower operating cost.

I have no issue with a smaller plane or the route being operated as a subsidiary, just get MI into Star Alliance as a regional member or honor the *G benefits as a goodwill gesture during the economic downturn since the lounge overcrowding argument holds no water when premium cabins are getting hit hardest.

And with some of the money they are saving by switching operations over to MI, add some showers to the KrisFlyer Gold lounge in SIN T3!
With respect, I'm not sure that your analogy works. Firstly, MI is not an LCC like JetStar. Secondly, it seems to be generally accepted that QF is using JetStar as a way of shafting the Unions to reduce costs SO AS TO OPERATE AN LCC BUSINESS MODEL on some routes.

As a seperate matter of business strategy, the end result of what SQ is doing will be that X years from now, SQ will only be flying Australia-SIN-London? Giving ground step by step as they are doing is a dangerous game. And, incidentally, by that time many other carriers will be flying A380/77W aircraft with much better premium fares and comparable or better (eg. EK showers in 380/F) services, so perhaps even on those routes, SQ will have to decide to operate an all Y configuration or just fold completely. Given that the present Management seems totally intransigent.

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They could downsize to A330-300 aircraft and use one of those when they are not required for the Adelaide,Perth and Brisbane Services for Penang
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Old May 5, 09, 2:46 am
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Originally Posted by Coathanger View Post

I have no issue with a smaller plane or the route being operated as a subsidiary, just get MI into Star Alliance as a regional member or honor the *G benefits as a goodwill gesture during the economic downturn since the lounge overcrowding argument holds no water when premium cabins are getting hit hardest.

i don't think they intend to do that. The probability of other airlines forcing SQ to release their award seats would likely happen earlier than what you are suggesting.

As an aisde, with SQ denying access to F lounges and increasing mileage to 300% for suites instead of lowering price, it appears to be a characteristics similar to LH miles and more programme.

not a good sign.
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Old May 5, 09, 3:04 am
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How much solid business traffic is there to PEN? Surely that's the only thing that would sustain SQ in the market. I can't see how SQ can profitably retain current frequencies now that they will be facing stiff price competition from Jetstar, Tiger and Airasia for the leisure market. Makes sense to downsize to MI and A320's.

Maybe not * alliance, but at least there will be still a reasonable KF presence on the route. I agree though it is a shame that Silkair aren't in the * fold, in the same way for example that Dragonair are in Oneworld.
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Originally Posted by philipat View Post
With respect, I'm not sure that your analogy works. Firstly, MI is not an LCC like JetStar. Secondly, it seems to be generally accepted that QF is using JetStar as a way of shafting the Unions to reduce costs SO AS TO OPERATE AN LCC BUSINESS MODEL on some routes.
Assuming that MI operating costs are equal to SQ, then this would be purely a capacity reduction excercise with capacity being reduced from approximately 280 to 120 seats.

Certainly agree that the cost differential will not be as dramatic as QF/JQ. That said, it would be interesting to understand the difference in costs between the two operations as that would have been a factor in the decision making.

If capacity was the only issue, it would be simpler just to convert the plane into SQ livery. Brand image would be maintained and the discussion would be around who gets the op-up now that Y will be pretty full...
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Now all the flights are SilkAir (or MH codeshare).
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Old Oct 22, 09, 6:34 am
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Now all the flights are SilkAir (or MH codeshare).
Are they? I've got SQ191 booked in a month's time and still shows as being SQ operated.

Edited to add - ahhh - from 1st December onwards.

SILKAIR TO TAKE OVER PENANG SERVICES

From 1 December 2009, SilkAir, the regional wing of Singapore Airlines, will take over the operation of services between Singapore and Penang.

Singapore Airlines currently has a daily morning flight while SilkAir has twice-daily frequencies to Penang. By taking over the Singapore Airlines flight, SilkAir will serve Penang three times daily, with a morning frequency in addition to the current afternoon and evening frequencies. The flights are subject to regulatory approvals.

Having SilkAir on the Singapore-Penang route optimises the utilisation of the SIA Group’s resources and presents a better match of capacity to demand. With SilkAir, customers can rest assured that they will enjoy a level of warm cabin service and reliability synonymous with the SIA Group branding.

“SilkAir looks forward to expanding our presence in Penang through the addition of our third daily flight between Penang and Singapore. Since the launch of SilkAir's services on the Singapore-Penang route in June this year, we have received a very good response from our customers through healthy loads and positive feedback on our inflight service. With three times daily services from 1 December 2009, we hope to count on their continued support,” said Mr Chin Yau Seng, SilkAir’s Chief Executive.

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Customers who have made advance bookings to fly the Singapore-Penang route on Singapore Airlines will be re-accommodated on SilkAir flights.
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