SQ solvency
#1
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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SQ solvency
I, like many others, am holding non-refundable tickets for travel soon that will likely be converted to open tickets due to the transit ban just enacted. These open tickets are essentially a voucher for future travel.
I assume SQ becoming insolvent is a real possibility.
I admit to knowing nothing about how SQ is owned so I have no idea what sort of financial backing they have.
How concerned should I and others be about SQ making it through this?
Given the much bigger issues this pandemic is presenting, I hope this post doesn't come across as selfish. If we all get through these horrible times and I'm left with a worthless travel voucher, so be it.
I assume SQ becoming insolvent is a real possibility.
I admit to knowing nothing about how SQ is owned so I have no idea what sort of financial backing they have.
How concerned should I and others be about SQ making it through this?
Given the much bigger issues this pandemic is presenting, I hope this post doesn't come across as selfish. If we all get through these horrible times and I'm left with a worthless travel voucher, so be it.
#2
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Singapore
Programs: QF LTG, SQ EGTP, Bonvoy LTG
Posts: 4,834
If SQ is allowed to fail, then it will be a sign of the end of Singapore Inc. Put simply, they are quite integral to the Singapore economy that one just cant see the government letting them fall over
#3
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: BRU, SIN, PEK
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Posts: 3,235
yeah. not gonna happen. Singapore Airlines will get all the govt backing needed to recover from this. If anything while a publicly traded company it's probably considered an essential govt 'asset' for security reasons too.
#4
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 60
Temasek Holdings controls quite a substantial share in Singapore Airlines I think.
Between Changi Airport and Singapore Airlines, the government will prioritize Changi as seen from the liberal air policy.
But SQ is a national carrier and national pride, the Singapore government won't allow it to fail. If they have to bail out only one carrier, between SQ and Jetstar, they will bail out SQ. In times of crisis, they still need Singapore Airlines, see the thread on the government arranging for Singapore Airlines to bring Singapore students in the UK home.
Between Changi Airport and Singapore Airlines, the government will prioritize Changi as seen from the liberal air policy.
But SQ is a national carrier and national pride, the Singapore government won't allow it to fail. If they have to bail out only one carrier, between SQ and Jetstar, they will bail out SQ. In times of crisis, they still need Singapore Airlines, see the thread on the government arranging for Singapore Airlines to bring Singapore students in the UK home.
#5
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,263
Temasek Holdings controls quite a substantial share in Singapore Airlines I think.
Between Changi Airport and Singapore Airlines, the government will prioritize Changi as seen from the liberal air policy.
But SQ is a national carrier and national pride, the Singapore government won't allow it to fail. If they have to bail out only one carrier, between SQ and Jetstar, they will bail out SQ. In times of crisis, they still need Singapore Airlines, see the thread on the government arranging for Singapore Airlines to bring Singapore students in the UK home.
Between Changi Airport and Singapore Airlines, the government will prioritize Changi as seen from the liberal air policy.
But SQ is a national carrier and national pride, the Singapore government won't allow it to fail. If they have to bail out only one carrier, between SQ and Jetstar, they will bail out SQ. In times of crisis, they still need Singapore Airlines, see the thread on the government arranging for Singapore Airlines to bring Singapore students in the UK home.
Basically SIA is still hold by SIN gov.
#8
Join Date: Mar 2015
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https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...report1819.pdf
I am not in finance / finance-related line so I don't know how to read financial statements properly and this 'analysis' is therefore little more than guesswork.
But it seems to me that (i) Expenses are around 1.3b a month, and (ii) General Reserves are around 11.2b. Expenses will undoubtedly come down a bit by capacity cuts and pay reductions for staff, so even without government help it does seem that SQ won't be in too much trouble unless COVID lingers into Q4 or into next year.
I am not in finance / finance-related line so I don't know how to read financial statements properly and this 'analysis' is therefore little more than guesswork.
But it seems to me that (i) Expenses are around 1.3b a month, and (ii) General Reserves are around 11.2b. Expenses will undoubtedly come down a bit by capacity cuts and pay reductions for staff, so even without government help it does seem that SQ won't be in too much trouble unless COVID lingers into Q4 or into next year.
#9
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: CGK
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Can anyone here telling me what is the common ratio of fix cost vs variable cost in an airline?
That might be applicable as well with SQ.
I read somewhere that some of the crew are sent home unpaid, meaning they can manage the variable cost in some way.
Not sure about fix cost dilution though.
Thanks....
That might be applicable as well with SQ.
I read somewhere that some of the crew are sent home unpaid, meaning they can manage the variable cost in some way.
Not sure about fix cost dilution though.
Thanks....
#10
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,263
This is their latest financial statement
so staff cost/fuel is around 50% of their expenditure. Depreciation is around 13%. So these 3 are around 63%
depreciation cant be avoided. Staff cost - might be able to reduce a bit only? Fuel cost -should have some losses due to the hedge.
the rest should be able to reduce.
so staff cost/fuel is around 50% of their expenditure. Depreciation is around 13%. So these 3 are around 63%
depreciation cant be avoided. Staff cost - might be able to reduce a bit only? Fuel cost -should have some losses due to the hedge.
the rest should be able to reduce.
#11
Join Date: Jan 2020
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Thank you for the P/L statement, sbs2716g
Never thought there is still big chunk of fix cost.
Temasek will be able to help easily with fresh cash if needed, in my opinion.
Never thought there is still big chunk of fix cost.
Temasek will be able to help easily with fresh cash if needed, in my opinion.
#15
Join Date: Jun 2007
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SIA is a strategic asset for Singapore (in terms of tourism and national security) and has usually been profitable in the past. So the SG government will not allow it to go bust.
The most Temasek will privatise SIA, like they did for SMRT.
The most Temasek will privatise SIA, like they did for SMRT.