Devaluation Time - New Award Chart Effective 24 January 2019
#46
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 48
It's the last course of action. If I've been nice and nice and nice and aren't getting anywhere, I'm obviously not going to continue being nice about it.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
You are lucky SQ agents are some of the most polite in the industry, any other airline's agents would've told you off.
#47
Join Date: May 2016
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ TPPS, QR Gold
Posts: 380
It's the last course of action. If I've been nice and nice and nice and aren't getting anywhere, I'm obviously not going to continue being nice about it.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
#49
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Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 590
You think I care if an agent tells me off? lol, I'll tell them off, and HUCA.
#50
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 48
No, my advice is to fight for what you think is right. Just because an airline says "no" doesn't mean that is the end of the conversation. Anyone who accepts "no" so easily isn't cut out for this hobby.
You think I care if an agent tells me off? lol, I'll tell them off, and HUCA.
You think I care if an agent tells me off? lol, I'll tell them off, and HUCA.
And you can HUCA all you want, you got extremely lucky that you got someone to get you a standard award and the saver price. Advising other people that this is the norm is a fruitless effort.
#52
Join Date: May 2016
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ TPPS, QR Gold
Posts: 380
No, my advice is to fight for what you think is right. Just because an airline says "no" doesn't mean that is the end of the conversation. Anyone who accepts "no" so easily isn't cut out for this hobby.
You think I care if an agent tells me off? lol, I'll tell them off, and HUCA.
You think I care if an agent tells me off? lol, I'll tell them off, and HUCA.
#53
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Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 590
I don't derive any pleasure from having to get tough with a rep. But, as I said, sometimes nice doesn't get it done. I'm not going to let these airlines walk all over me.
#54
Join Date: May 2016
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ TPPS, QR Gold
Posts: 380
I am truly sorry that you continue to believe that browbeating an agent into submission in any way justifiable.
#56
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 23
So currently ticketed 2 F awards MNL > SIN > SYD. Wanting to change to MNL > SIN > MEL. I booked this pre devaluation. If I change now trying to figure out if I'll owe the additional 5k in miles per ticket, or if it will just be the $25 change of route fee. I'm guess only the $25 since I will not need to redeposit miles, just changing final route.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
It's the last course of action. If I've been nice and nice and nice and aren't getting anywhere, I'm obviously not going to continue being nice about it.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
About a month ago, I had an F award on SQ metal. However, it had 2 legs, stopover in Tokyo. I called to cancel just the 1st leg and apparently SQ's policy doesn't allow that, have to cancel the whole ticket. When I looked at award space from NRT-LAX, there was space but not at the saver price I already had a ticket for. The girl wasn't getting it, and didn't get it until I raised my voice and threw a few expletives in for good measure. The girl relented and did as I asked. Sometimes being nice doesn't work.
You might, but the representative that was dealing with the OP wasn't.
For tpsmith82 flight, SYD and MEL is clearly two different location. This would definitely require the re-issuance of tickets which mean the new miles rate should apply in accordance to the tnc.
However, for kapooncha, it may be a simple case of incompetent CSO who did not want to go further other than the standard procedures. If a pax has redeemed a ticket with two segments, cancelling one of the segment should not result in the other segment being cancelled. SQ can definitely hold on to the other segment and reissue the ticket. The only exception is where married segments apply in the booking where the individual segments does not availability at all (i.e. SIN-HKG-SFO individual segments availability may not be the same as the married segment from SIN-SFO on the same flight). However, presumably that kapooncha has used the word "stopover" correctly, there should not be a married segment issue. In this case, SQ can definitely hold on the NRT-LAX segment and reissue the ticket with this single segment (kapooncha would need to pay the cancellation fees , where applicable). This would not be a plain reissuance on the understanding that kapooncha is also looking at the refund of the miles differences.
#57
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Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 590
If a pax has redeemed a ticket with two segments, cancelling one of the segment should not result in the other segment being cancelled. SQ can definitely hold on to the other segment and reissue the ticket. The only exception is where married segments apply in the booking where the individual segments does not availability at all (i.e. SIN-HKG-SFO individual segments availability may not be the same as the married segment from SIN-SFO on the same flight). However, presumably that kapooncha has used the word "stopover" correctly, there should not be a married segment issue. In this case, SQ can definitely hold on the NRT-LAX segment and reissue the ticket with this single segment (kapooncha would need to pay the cancellation fees , where applicable). This would not be a plain reissuance on the understanding that kapooncha is also looking at the refund of the miles differences.
#58
Well...this has turned into quite the conversation. I'll try to just keep on topic and only mention I have worked in multiple front line customer service industries and in all honestly both tactics can work. I would say the real factor involved though is the agent you speak with and whether or not they respond to anger or politeness, and there are both. I myself tend to lean towards being polite and understand an agents hand are tied most of the time.
In this case we are talking and extra 5,000 miles per ticket, not the end of the world. Had they doubled the required miles overnight like some programs have been known to do I would probably have pushed quite a bit harder. In the end when the agent called me back she informed me that it would still require the additional 5,000 miles per ticket. While not entirely happy about the situation it is my choice to change my final destination and in doing so the ticket will need to be reissued.
So I transferred 2K MR, 6K UR and 4K CO miles to get the required miles needed to change the ticket. For me the MR points where nearly useless as they were the last I had, only $20-$30 value. The CO miles also were nearly the last I had and I did not put much value to them, again possibly $40. The real cost came from the UR points which I value at about $90. So that $90 plus the possible $25 per ticket to change is a total of $140 and we'll say $200 if you want to put value to the other points. So $100 per ticket. Not a big deal when you consider what I'm gaining. I've have gone from a "low service" redeye flight to an afternoon full service flight. Both on an A-380, both in suites. Now with the full service I will be able to enjoy caviar, full diner menu and service, alert and present crew and according to sunflight.net I'll get to watch the sunset over Australia! All of these things make it for me very worth the extra miles and not an issue I'm willing to raise my stress over.
Thanks for all the advice.
In this case we are talking and extra 5,000 miles per ticket, not the end of the world. Had they doubled the required miles overnight like some programs have been known to do I would probably have pushed quite a bit harder. In the end when the agent called me back she informed me that it would still require the additional 5,000 miles per ticket. While not entirely happy about the situation it is my choice to change my final destination and in doing so the ticket will need to be reissued.
So I transferred 2K MR, 6K UR and 4K CO miles to get the required miles needed to change the ticket. For me the MR points where nearly useless as they were the last I had, only $20-$30 value. The CO miles also were nearly the last I had and I did not put much value to them, again possibly $40. The real cost came from the UR points which I value at about $90. So that $90 plus the possible $25 per ticket to change is a total of $140 and we'll say $200 if you want to put value to the other points. So $100 per ticket. Not a big deal when you consider what I'm gaining. I've have gone from a "low service" redeye flight to an afternoon full service flight. Both on an A-380, both in suites. Now with the full service I will be able to enjoy caviar, full diner menu and service, alert and present crew and according to sunflight.net I'll get to watch the sunset over Australia! All of these things make it for me very worth the extra miles and not an issue I'm willing to raise my stress over.
Thanks for all the advice.
#59
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: SE ASIA
Programs: SQ KF GO, OZ GO, QR PC PLAT, TG ROP SL, LCAH SL, IHG SPIRE, Marriott BONVOY GO, HILTON GO
Posts: 641
I thought that post devaluation, any change in date will result in a change fee $25 + the diff. in KF miles
E.g. 88k vs 95k LAX-SIN-BKK
However the system is only charging me $25 to change the date.
I must say, I was pleasantly surprised.
This was not the case for the last deval. 2 years ago where I was charged the diff in KF miles (15% DISCOUNT - SIN-MAN-IAH)
(I also had to pay $20 to reissue the ticket as I extended the validity by 1 more year, which was fine)
#60
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum, SPG Gold
Posts: 89
Well, tried calling today to get the flight switched. While she did find availability for the flight she informed me they have since changed the amount of miles required to book that award. She stated the ticket would need to be reissued and it would be required to add an addition 5,000 miles per ticket. Yikes! So I explained it has been only 2 weeks since the devaluation and hoped they could extended a one time courtesy since I have already booked this flight, just wanted to make a small change. She then stated that they have been very strict with this and that it will require the additional miles. I politely asked if I might speak to a supervisor and see if they could extended the courtesy. She said she would send a special request, but actually said she doubted they would be willing to switch. So, she mentioned she would call me back in a couple of days to inform me of the decision.
Not looking good, but we will see.
Well, tried calling today to get the flight switched. While she did find availability for the flight she informed me they have since changed the amount of miles required to book that award. She stated the ticket would need to be reissued and it would be required to add an addition 5,000 miles per ticket. Yikes! So I explained it has been only 2 weeks since the devaluation and hoped they could extended a one time courtesy since I have already booked this flight, just wanted to make a small change. She then stated that they have been very strict with this and that it will require the additional miles. I politely asked if I might speak to a supervisor and see if they could extended the courtesy. She said she would send a special request, but actually said she doubted they would be willing to switch. So, she mentioned she would call me back in a couple of days to inform me of the decision.
Not looking good, but we will see.