Oversized passengers
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Thanks so much for all the feedback though. At least I know what to do if facing the same situation again (God forbid).
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I would be concerned for them for fear it would be affecting their health...hence the term. No offence intended - its not a phrase that's being used to segregate such individuals from society, just identify the impact upon people occupying standardised seating on aircraft.
Going a bit OMNI now...
Going a bit OMNI now...
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I think the OP over-reacted in terms of the tone of the rant, but not in terms of the basic issue at play.
+1
I'd hate to say that anything about US airlines is superior to SQ. But in fact there is some sort of a policy to this effect, that a Person of Size can't overflow into a neighboring passenger's space. The issue comes up occasionally in the AA, UA, etc. forums. I believe (but am not sure) that if there are no other available seats the POS has to forfeit the flight and wait for another, as opposed to the neighbor.
I'm not making a moral judgement about the POS's size here. But just as a normal-sized passenger couldn't stick his leg or elbow half-way into a neighbor's space, the same applies to a very heavy person.
+1 again.
I'd hate to say that anything about US airlines is superior to SQ. But in fact there is some sort of a policy to this effect, that a Person of Size can't overflow into a neighboring passenger's space. The issue comes up occasionally in the AA, UA, etc. forums. I believe (but am not sure) that if there are no other available seats the POS has to forfeit the flight and wait for another, as opposed to the neighbor.
I'm not making a moral judgement about the POS's size here. But just as a normal-sized passenger couldn't stick his leg or elbow half-way into a neighbor's space, the same applies to a very heavy person.
+1 again.
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Everyone else should not be subjected to passengers who haven't showered for weeks before getting on a plane.
And there should be a policy in place if you can't fit in your seat you need to buy an extra one so that you do not encroach in to the seat of other passengers.
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AA FAs have openly demanded that I lift the armrest in order to accommodate a POS and threatened to deplane me as I was unwilling to comply. As I much preferred deplaning over DVT, I kept not complying.
I thought that most airlines have regulations in place regarding malodorous passengers. Those should absolutely be enforced.
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I might be wrong... but I thought 'armrests down' was an FAA regulation for take-off and landing?
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Some USA carriers have rules about customers of size, but GAs and FAs are reluctant and very unlikely to enforce issues in this "delicate" area unless another passenger demands that they do so.
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If my parents were hugely overweight I would not want them humiliated by a seatmate or have them make someone next to them uncomfortable. I would make sure they had a spare seat.
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Issues
Be prepared for a rant but key point is:
- Does SQ make oversized passengers buy an extra seat (Economy) or does any other airlines in fact? Do they intend to do so?
Long story short
- On red eye SIN - MEL in economy
- Full flight not an extra seat to be found
- SUPER HUGE guy in middle seat. Entire arms and shoulders into my chair, Violently adjusts his body every time I try to get my space.
- Digs his nose, crotch, underarms. Plays with whatever he finds there. Uses those same fingers to tap on my shoulder really hard to excuse him to go to the toilet. While I am sleeping.
- Continuously farts super stink b*mbs (sensitive word on flight). How do I know? He adjusts his left butt cheek to me of course.
I am NOT over-reacting am I?
Super helpful Leading stewardess notices me standing by the galley leaning and closing my eyes. Tries to find me an alternative seat but it truly was a full full flight.
Rant over thanks for listening.
- Does SQ make oversized passengers buy an extra seat (Economy) or does any other airlines in fact? Do they intend to do so?
Long story short
- On red eye SIN - MEL in economy
- Full flight not an extra seat to be found
- SUPER HUGE guy in middle seat. Entire arms and shoulders into my chair, Violently adjusts his body every time I try to get my space.
- Digs his nose, crotch, underarms. Plays with whatever he finds there. Uses those same fingers to tap on my shoulder really hard to excuse him to go to the toilet. While I am sleeping.
- Continuously farts super stink b*mbs (sensitive word on flight). How do I know? He adjusts his left butt cheek to me of course.
I am NOT over-reacting am I?
Super helpful Leading stewardess notices me standing by the galley leaning and closing my eyes. Tries to find me an alternative seat but it truly was a full full flight.
Rant over thanks for listening.
The size of this passenger should have necessitated the purchase of an extra seat. This passenger's space was invaded by the person's size. Another problem with passengers who do not purchase adequate space for their body is that in an emergency situation, the lack of space may become dangerous.
I don't advocate discrimination against passengers of larger size as long as they are safely accommodated, meaning not encroaching on others. Airline seats are smaller these days; cabins packed which is detrimental to the flying experience but safety is the ultimate issue. No one is completely comfortable having to sit for hours but if in this situation, a little common-sense behavior and non-encroachment would have helped.