An article about FA life on Asian airliners
Feb 18, 2013, 7:01 am
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An article about FA life on Asian airliners
Here: Is being a flight attendant all that glamorous?
But there are several things caught my attention:
And right after that:
In my book spending 2/3 of the monthly income on a handbag, is not considered 'normal'. Moreover it is not normal if this handbag is 'first'. I have not seen such kind of behavior even among college students back in States, but in Singapore and in Asia in general it is perfectly acceptable...
But there are several things caught my attention:
Firstly, the pay is really good. For SQ, we can easily hit S$4,500 a month
Within two months, she had bought her first S$3,000 branded bag
Feb 18, 2013, 9:04 am
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In my book spending 2/3 of the monthly income on a handbag, is not considered 'normal'. Moreover it is not normal if this handbag is 'first'. I have not seen such kind of behavior even among college students back in States, but in Singapore and in Asia in general it is perfectly acceptable...
The Ginza spend/income ratios of these girls were much worse than the SQ FA.
And at least in the SQ case the FAs are earning their own money.
Feb 18, 2013, 5:44 pm
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I taught two years at a Japanese women's college. Yes, it's more than normal - this type of conspicuous consumption is absolutely a status marker among peers. It connotes wealthy patrons - enjou kousai - and/or family.
The Ginza spend/income ratios of these girls were much worse than the SQ FA.
And at least in the SQ case the FAs are earning their own money.
The Ginza spend/income ratios of these girls were much worse than the SQ FA.
And at least in the SQ case the FAs are earning their own money.
Feb 19, 2013, 2:23 am
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Not 'necessarily' my view, but came across this (referenced in another research piece about Singapore's low fertility rate):
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singa...092109660.html
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singa...092109660.html
Feb 19, 2013, 5:23 am
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And not just bags, shoes are an equally-strong magnet when it comes to attracting ladies to open up their purses.About the article, I thought that FAs earn quite a bit less than that. I guess I made my assumption after reading how little LH FAs get, figuring that this must be an industry-wide thing.
I still cannot believe that line about someone leaving an accounting job though.
Feb 19, 2013, 9:43 am
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My wife, who had >20 years of experience in US in Fortune 50 companies in a corporate finance, got a contract after our relocation in Singapore as senior financial manager in one very large company. Well, her (local) boss on her third day at work when she went to ask him several questions about local financial system, screamed at her with words 'at your age you should know this and not ask such kind of stupid questions'.
Would you have this kind of job? No matter how much it pays?
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Feb 19, 2013, 11:35 am
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Ahem, entry level accountants have to work >55h a week in Singapore and seniors are not in a better position either.
My wife, who had >20 years of experience in US in Fortune 50 companies in a corporate finance, got a contract after our relocation in Singapore as senior financial manager in one very large company. Well, her (local) boss on her third day at work when she went to ask him several questions about local financial system, screamed at her with words 'at your age you should know this and not ask such kind of stupid questions'.
Would you have this kind of job? No matter how much it pays?
My wife, who had >20 years of experience in US in Fortune 50 companies in a corporate finance, got a contract after our relocation in Singapore as senior financial manager in one very large company. Well, her (local) boss on her third day at work when she went to ask him several questions about local financial system, screamed at her with words 'at your age you should know this and not ask such kind of stupid questions'.
Would you have this kind of job? No matter how much it pays?
Feb 19, 2013, 9:06 pm
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You cannot work in Asia especially after working in N.America or Europe, Asia's culture is very different, there is age and race discrimination. They work from 8am to 8pm. Now only if you get a management job as an expatriate you will be fine in that environment. It is sad but that is the reality.
私の大学でわ過労死を 見ませんでした。
Feb 20, 2013, 12:35 am
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The academic world itself may have less grant pressure than in the US. But the lack of a clear and defensible tenure scheme assures a more diffuse pressure. It is nonetheless there.
Feb 20, 2013, 1:38 am
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After that, AVP is roughly $6-8k per month, VP is higher again.
Feb 20, 2013, 6:21 am
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貴方の勤めていた大学では、過労死は起こらなかったでしょうけれど。
Back to the main topic, I think this is common in any nationality with both gender in any age shouting "Look at me. I am beautiful!!"
Feb 20, 2013, 8:45 am
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Here: Is being a flight attendant all that glamorous?
But there are several things caught my attention:
And right after that:
In my book spending 2/3 of the monthly income on a handbag, is not considered 'normal'. Moreover it is not normal if this handbag is 'first'. I have not seen such kind of behavior even among college students back in States, but in Singapore and in Asia in general it is perfectly acceptable...
But there are several things caught my attention:
And right after that:
In my book spending 2/3 of the monthly income on a handbag, is not considered 'normal'. Moreover it is not normal if this handbag is 'first'. I have not seen such kind of behavior even among college students back in States, but in Singapore and in Asia in general it is perfectly acceptable...
Feb 20, 2013, 9:30 am
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The starting salary for a university graduate in accounting is roughly $2500 per month. A senior with a few years experience would be around $3500-4000 per month. Then perhaps some years later after that, you get to the supervisory level, you would be able to easily hit $4500 per month.
After that, AVP is roughly $6-8k per month, VP is higher again.
After that, AVP is roughly $6-8k per month, VP is higher again.
Feb 20, 2013, 10:23 am
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I am not quite sure if you are referring your experience to only in Japan. In Japan, if you are caucasian and preferably with blond and blue eyes, yes, I still believe it definitely works. You should take full advantage of it.
貴方の勤めていた大学では、過労死は起こらなかったでしょうけれど。
Back to the main topic, I think this is common in any nationality with both gender in any age shouting "Look at me. I am beautiful!!"
貴方の勤めていた大学では、過労死は起こらなかったでしょうけれど。
Back to the main topic, I think this is common in any nationality with both gender in any age shouting "Look at me. I am beautiful!!"
There's published research on this phenomenon:
http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordp...pring-2002.jpg
http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordp...ron-bailey.pdf
There are a number of people who think is not confined to Japan, either. Similarities in Korea:
http://thegrandnarrative.com/2010/07...relationships/
Feb 21, 2013, 7:21 pm
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Continuation of the story with interesting revelations
Part 2: Dealing with passengers from hell
Couple quotes:
Hm. I thought that the behavior described above was a prime feature of air travel to/from Russia (Aeroflot and other Russian airliners have database of more than 2000 people who become drunk before or during the flight and started fights with other passengers or crew members) but apparently situation happens quite often in Asian airliners too...
Have not heard a single case like this in States last 10 years since 9/11. Last news story I remember was about a couple years ago when one agitated woman threw a coffee to a flight attendant. She ended up in jail for 6 month and lost custody of her two kids as a result.
Part 2: Dealing with passengers from hell
Couple quotes:
In his almost decade long career as a flight steward, Rick has done everything from warming up milk in an ice bucket while balancing a screaming baby on his hip, to chasing couples hoping to join the mile-high club out of plane toilets.
Certain Asian passengers, for example, are commonly known for being blatantly disrespectful to stewardesses. “These men just yank at my skirt when I am distributing snacks or drinks. Once they pulled so hard at my colleague’s skirt she nearly fell down, and they laughed,”
Things get ugly quickly – many drunk passengers start to slur and use rude languages to harass flight crew who deny them more alcohol, or vomit on themselves and their neighbors, creating a scene and disturbing their fellow passengers.
Frank said that in worst case scenarios, if the passenger starts getting violent or verbally abusive, the crew leads him or her away to the back of the plane, where they try to isolate and sober up the person up. If they can’t control him, plastic flexi-cuffs are used to attach the passenger to male crew members, who stay with him for the rest of the journey until the plane touches down.
Have not heard a single case like this in States last 10 years since 9/11. Last news story I remember was about a couple years ago when one agitated woman threw a coffee to a flight attendant. She ended up in jail for 6 month and lost custody of her two kids as a result.
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