The ultimate UPGRADE thread
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The ultimate UPGRADE thread
Hello all, I'd like to use this thread to add all the information we have to offer BA board visitors on the famous "U" word.
As you are all aware that question gets asked at least 2 or 3 times a week so if we have a single thread with all the answers it will save us laughing when someone asks how they upgrade their ultra cheap fare... Please add all the information you have to offer so we can completely stop using the U word here
The Ultimate Upgrade Answers
HOW do I upgrade on BA?
British Airways does not have the same upgrade policy as most US carriers, they tend to try and keep their premium cabins just that; premium. There are no booklets of vouchers for elites, no $90 upgrade coupons and nothing to trade on the Coupon Connection. All upgrades will either be operational, paid for by paying the fare difference at check in, using an elite tier point voucher or using Asia Miles. Keep in mind that a business class or first class ticket on longhaul BA costs between $2000 and $12000, most of the people in a premium cabin will have paid for their seat though it is not impossible that up to half of them received an operational upgrade. BAs loads of paying pax in business and first are quite good.
How do they process their operational upgrades?
If and when BA decides to do operational upgrades they are processed before or during check in and very rarely by the desk staff. There are no published written rules on operational upgrades but generally the process works by selecting pax off the manifest. BA will always select their own elite tier pax first. The order of operational upgrades will probably look something like this:
Premier (invitation only elite level)
Gold and/or Full fare paying pax
Silver
OW Top tier
OW Mid tier
Blue
The regular rules of dressing nicely and putting on a smile will probably not work though it naturally never hurts to be prepared to sit in a premium cabin. Of course it also never hurts to ask at check in, so be there early and always stay friendly and courteous. Dont try the do you know who I am routine or trying to demand anything based on other Oneworld status, it wont help.
What is the 2400 point upgrade voucher?
Gold Executive Club members in certain countries receive a free one class upgrade voucher when they reach 2400 tier points, the voucher can only be used by gold card members and will undoubtedly be used by the Gold member him or herself.
As you are all aware that question gets asked at least 2 or 3 times a week so if we have a single thread with all the answers it will save us laughing when someone asks how they upgrade their ultra cheap fare... Please add all the information you have to offer so we can completely stop using the U word here
The Ultimate Upgrade Answers
HOW do I upgrade on BA?
British Airways does not have the same upgrade policy as most US carriers, they tend to try and keep their premium cabins just that; premium. There are no booklets of vouchers for elites, no $90 upgrade coupons and nothing to trade on the Coupon Connection. All upgrades will either be operational, paid for by paying the fare difference at check in, using an elite tier point voucher or using Asia Miles. Keep in mind that a business class or first class ticket on longhaul BA costs between $2000 and $12000, most of the people in a premium cabin will have paid for their seat though it is not impossible that up to half of them received an operational upgrade. BAs loads of paying pax in business and first are quite good.
How do they process their operational upgrades?
If and when BA decides to do operational upgrades they are processed before or during check in and very rarely by the desk staff. There are no published written rules on operational upgrades but generally the process works by selecting pax off the manifest. BA will always select their own elite tier pax first. The order of operational upgrades will probably look something like this:
Premier (invitation only elite level)
Gold and/or Full fare paying pax
Silver
OW Top tier
OW Mid tier
Blue
The regular rules of dressing nicely and putting on a smile will probably not work though it naturally never hurts to be prepared to sit in a premium cabin. Of course it also never hurts to ask at check in, so be there early and always stay friendly and courteous. Dont try the do you know who I am routine or trying to demand anything based on other Oneworld status, it wont help.
What is the 2400 point upgrade voucher?
Gold Executive Club members in certain countries receive a free one class upgrade voucher when they reach 2400 tier points, the voucher can only be used by gold card members and will undoubtedly be used by the Gold member him or herself.
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Very helpful post, Scott, thanks.
I have a question concerning the operational upgrades and pax holding different status levels traveling together on the same PNR.
Say Scotty Gold and Celby Blue (names chosen entirely at random, of course) are traveling together. Are elite Scotty Gold's chances of an operational upgrade hindered by sharing the same PNR with plebeian Celby Blue? Would you recommend splitting the PNR to improve Scotty Gold's chances of sitting up front and just let Celby Blue smolder in the back with Merry's P.A.?
Thanks in advance!
I have a question concerning the operational upgrades and pax holding different status levels traveling together on the same PNR.
Say Scotty Gold and Celby Blue (names chosen entirely at random, of course) are traveling together. Are elite Scotty Gold's chances of an operational upgrade hindered by sharing the same PNR with plebeian Celby Blue? Would you recommend splitting the PNR to improve Scotty Gold's chances of sitting up front and just let Celby Blue smolder in the back with Merry's P.A.?
Thanks in advance!
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'As you are all aware that question gets asked at least 2 or 3 times a week so if we have a single thread with all the answers it will save us laughing when someone asks how they upgrade their ultra cheap fare... Please add all the information you have to offer so we can completely stop using the U word here'
Whats wrong with using the U word here?
UNLIKELY, there I've said it. Am I going to be banned from posting to the BA forum for a week now?
Lets go for a month ban: ULTRA UNLIKELY. But if you still want to try and get in the premium cabin with Lord Lucan and Shergar....
I get asked a lot at work, how do you get upgraded to Business. My smart-alec answer: Buy a Business Class ticket, works 100% of the time!
Thanks,
Richard
Whats wrong with using the U word here?
UNLIKELY, there I've said it. Am I going to be banned from posting to the BA forum for a week now?
Lets go for a month ban: ULTRA UNLIKELY. But if you still want to try and get in the premium cabin with Lord Lucan and Shergar....
I get asked a lot at work, how do you get upgraded to Business. My smart-alec answer: Buy a Business Class ticket, works 100% of the time!
Thanks,
Richard
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by blairvanhorn:
Very helpful post, Scott, thanks.
I have a question concerning the operational upgrades and pax holding different status levels traveling together on the same PNR.
Say Scotty Gold and Celby Blue (names chosen entirely at random, of course) are traveling together. Are elite Scotty Gold's chances of an operational upgrade hindered by sharing the same PNR with plebeian Celby Blue? Would you recommend splitting the PNR to improve Scotty Gold's chances of sitting up front and just let Celby Blue smolder in the back with Merry's P.A.?
What do you recommend that Celby Blue (where did you think that one up?) instruct to sue for? How can you reduce emotional distress at hearing Scotty Gold laughing his socks off at Celby Blue sitting in Classe Trashette pausing merely to belch off the effects of too much Krug?
I would recommend 500,000 (in 50 notes) and a shetland pony dyed powder blue to match Blair BlackAmex's (random name) eyes.
Thanks in advance![/B]</font>
Very helpful post, Scott, thanks.
I have a question concerning the operational upgrades and pax holding different status levels traveling together on the same PNR.
Say Scotty Gold and Celby Blue (names chosen entirely at random, of course) are traveling together. Are elite Scotty Gold's chances of an operational upgrade hindered by sharing the same PNR with plebeian Celby Blue? Would you recommend splitting the PNR to improve Scotty Gold's chances of sitting up front and just let Celby Blue smolder in the back with Merry's P.A.?
What do you recommend that Celby Blue (where did you think that one up?) instruct to sue for? How can you reduce emotional distress at hearing Scotty Gold laughing his socks off at Celby Blue sitting in Classe Trashette pausing merely to belch off the effects of too much Krug?
I would recommend 500,000 (in 50 notes) and a shetland pony dyed powder blue to match Blair BlackAmex's (random name) eyes.
Thanks in advance![/B]</font>
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Don't forget that mileage based upgrades are possible in the US program.
I'd refer people to the handbook for more info. But to answer the most commonly asked questions:
Travel must originate in the US.
You can only upgrade from unrestricted fares, which means fares with no penalty for changes or cancellation. Generally B2 is the cheapest unrestricted WT fare, and T2 is the cheapest unrestricted WT+ fare.
For US or Canada to Europe:
For routes with WT+:
25K for WT to WT+
35K for WT+ to CW
For routes without WT+:
40K for WT to CW
Club World to First or First to Concorde:
40K
Refer to the handbook for other destinations.
I'd refer people to the handbook for more info. But to answer the most commonly asked questions:
Travel must originate in the US.
You can only upgrade from unrestricted fares, which means fares with no penalty for changes or cancellation. Generally B2 is the cheapest unrestricted WT fare, and T2 is the cheapest unrestricted WT+ fare.
For US or Canada to Europe:
For routes with WT+:
25K for WT to WT+
35K for WT+ to CW
For routes without WT+:
40K for WT to CW
Club World to First or First to Concorde:
40K
Refer to the handbook for other destinations.
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What most US based PAX seem to not understand is that the BA (and most good airlines) approach to protecting the F cabin is why those of us who pay to fly it do PAY to fly in F. I loose my AA miles across the Atlantic, but I still fly BA so that I am not in a cabin stuffed full of upgrades and staff. This means that BA gets my money and AA does not - works for me.
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Which would those "good" airlines be?? If you are referring to SQ, I can direct you to multiple places where you can purchase their F product quite cheaply. For that matter try BA F originating in lets say... Milan, and you'll see how they have totally cheapened the price of their product.
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hfly:
Which would those "good" airlines be?? If you are referring to SQ, I can direct you to multiple places where you can purchase their F product quite cheaply. For that matter try BA F originating in lets say... Milan, and you'll see how they have totally cheapened the price of their product.
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.</font>
Which would those "good" airlines be?? If you are referring to SQ, I can direct you to multiple places where you can purchase their F product quite cheaply. For that matter try BA F originating in lets say... Milan, and you'll see how they have totally cheapened the price of their product.
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hfly:
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.</font>
BTW, I would not consider a load factor of less than 62% to be very good transatlantically upfront. That has been BA's average load for more than a year on these routes.</font>
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I recently came in contact with someone who said he was a Gold member and the every flight he's had since he has been upgraded. From what I could tell he wasn't lying or bragging. I couldn't quiz him more on it at the time, but is this ususal for other Golds too? Or has he just been lucky?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dddc:
I recently came in contact with someone who said he was a Gold member and the every flight he's had since he has been upgraded. From what I could tell he wasn't lying or bragging. I couldn't quiz him more on it at the time, but is this ususal for other Golds too? Or has he just been lucky?</font>
I recently came in contact with someone who said he was a Gold member and the every flight he's had since he has been upgraded. From what I could tell he wasn't lying or bragging. I couldn't quiz him more on it at the time, but is this ususal for other Golds too? Or has he just been lucky?</font>
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I didn't say that the 62% was paid, nor if they were paid, that they are all Gateway city O/D's. If 62% is the high point of what their capacity currently is, perhaps 25% of that is paid J or F, with a hell of a lot of outstation D's and I's and many many op ups.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hfly:
I didn't say that the 62% was paid, nor if they were paid, that they are all Gateway city O/D's. If 62% is the high point of what their capacity currently is, perhaps 25% of that is paid J or F, with a hell of a lot of outstation D's and I's and many many op ups.</font>
I didn't say that the 62% was paid, nor if they were paid, that they are all Gateway city O/D's. If 62% is the high point of what their capacity currently is, perhaps 25% of that is paid J or F, with a hell of a lot of outstation D's and I's and many many op ups.</font>
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On Sept10,2001 I reached Gold,I was really excited and i mentioned it to the chief purser,who told me to seat in CW,that was the only time I ever got upgraded on board,otherwise TLV-LHR on SUNM return Thurs. has at least a 50% upgrade chance.I dont take my chances but I allwaya ask out of curiosity.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dddc:
I recently came in contact with someone who said he was a Gold member and the every flight he's had since he has been upgraded. From what I could tell he wasn't lying or bragging. I couldn't quiz him more on it at the time, but is this ususal for other Golds too? Or has he just been lucky?</font>
I recently came in contact with someone who said he was a Gold member and the every flight he's had since he has been upgraded. From what I could tell he wasn't lying or bragging. I couldn't quiz him more on it at the time, but is this ususal for other Golds too? Or has he just been lucky?</font>