Mar 20, 2019, 5:44 pm
Last edit by: Prospero
Redeeming AAdvantage MileSAAver Awards on China Southern Airlines
See the details on this page on aa.com.
AAdvantage miles awards on China Southern do not show on aa.com. Awards must be secured by calling American. No telephone charges are made for awards that can not be secured online.
Member stephem has shared CZ award fare buckets include: F First; O Busines, S Premium Economy (for when AA makes PE available on other than AA) and X Economy. These can be searched for using ExpertFlyer.
See the aa.com award chart here. (Awards redeemed for CZ must be MileSAAver awards.)
See details of MileSAAver awards here: HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
See detailed rules for airline partner awards here: AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (master thd)
See the details on this page on aa.com.
AAdvantage miles awards on China Southern do not show on aa.com. Awards must be secured by calling American. No telephone charges are made for awards that can not be secured online.
Member stephem has shared CZ award fare buckets include: F First; O Busines, S Premium Economy (for when AA makes PE available on other than AA) and X Economy. These can be searched for using ExpertFlyer.
See the aa.com award chart here. (Awards redeemed for CZ must be MileSAAver awards.)
See details of MileSAAver awards here: HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
See detailed rules for airline partner awards here: AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (master thd)
Redeem AAdvantage Awards Using China Southern Airlines / CZ
Mar 20, 2019, 5:42 pm
#1
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Redeem AAdvantage Awards Using China Southern Airlines / CZ
As of 20 March 2019, AAdvantage members may use AAdvantage miles to secure MileSAAver awards on non-oneworld airline partner China Southern Airlines.
Not a lot of dates available, according to them.
Mar 20, 2019, 8:32 pm
#4
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And with this rolling out today, I expect some AAgents may not be aware, not know how to search, or even to care and just feed us stuff like “you can’t, they’re not part of oneworld” and the like.
Last edited by JDiver; Mar 20, 2019 at 11:16 pm Reason: Update
Mar 20, 2019, 11:03 pm
#5
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
It looks like CZ uses the following buckets for awards X- eco, O-biz and F-first.
When I collected DL miles a while back I had some good luck finding multiple (sometimes as many as 5) biz seats on the A380 LAX-CAN flight. But I did some quick searches now and dont see that to be the case any longer.
When I collected DL miles a while back I had some good luck finding multiple (sometimes as many as 5) biz seats on the A380 LAX-CAN flight. But I did some quick searches now and dont see that to be the case any longer.
Mar 21, 2019, 6:14 am
#7
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If you're thinking of trying to use delta.com to find awards that may be available with AA miles... just poke a stick in your eye. It will be more satisfying. (Just kidding.)
Mar 21, 2019, 9:53 am
#8
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: SFO
Programs: AY Plat, LH FTL
Posts: 7,370
It looks like CZ uses the following buckets for awards X- eco, O-biz and F-first.
When I collected DL miles a while back I had some good luck finding multiple (sometimes as many as 5) biz seats on the A380 LAX-CAN flight. But I did some quick searches now and dont see that to be the case any longer.
When I collected DL miles a while back I had some good luck finding multiple (sometimes as many as 5) biz seats on the A380 LAX-CAN flight. But I did some quick searches now and dont see that to be the case any longer.
Mar 21, 2019, 11:14 am
#9
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I don't know if AAdvantage will implement CZ blackout dates the same way Delta has but one might consider it when checking for award availability.
Delta's CZ blackout chart:
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...rules.html/#um
Delta's CZ blackout chart:
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...rules.html/#um
Apr 13, 2019, 10:39 pm
#10
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: LAX/ONT
Programs: AS 100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Marriott G, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 518
No business available
Try to book lax-can-syx in September in business.
searched using CZ sky pearl program, wide open availability every day.
searched using delta, wide open pretty much everyday with multiple flights available each day
called AA, talked with a few agents, no seats available at all each day in September even for the lax-can segment. The agent did find one coach seat available on one day though, and she seems need to request CZ to release that seat to her, which takes only a few minutes.
searched using CZ sky pearl program, wide open availability every day.
searched using delta, wide open pretty much everyday with multiple flights available each day
called AA, talked with a few agents, no seats available at all each day in September even for the lax-can segment. The agent did find one coach seat available on one day though, and she seems need to request CZ to release that seat to her, which takes only a few minutes.
May 4, 2019, 12:44 pm
#11
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 18
Just booked an award ticket (X economy) from LAX-CKG on CZ for 10/2019. I checked KLM and Expert Flyer for award space and both were showing it. Called AA in the US a few times and they weren't able to see any space, then called AA Australia and they booked it no problem.
Last edited by JDiver; Jun 9, 2019 at 8:32 am Reason: Add bold for emphasis
May 15, 2019, 12:12 am
#12
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 889
F available after Jun 1
For what it's worth, I've failed to book F using Aadvantage in the USA (will be available after Jun 1, agents can see it now but not 'grab' it, this was confirmed to be in the notes by more than one agent) and one agent found X for economy, got ready to pull the trigger, agent hung (accidentally) up on me, and then the next agent couldn't find it (also not using direct method). I don't know where it went wrong. Calling AUS they failed to find availability in X but saw F, however also couldn't ticket it. Agent found X availability on the other daily LAX - CAN flight, but agent couldn't complete the booking or hold it because it won't price. Agent tried manually pricing it, still no go.
So CZ is a huge cluster right now. I seriously doubt things will majically get better Jun 1.
So CZ is a huge cluster right now. I seriously doubt things will majically get better Jun 1.
Last edited by wyogold; May 15, 2019 at 1:01 am
May 21, 2019, 8:43 pm
#13
Join Date: May 2002
Location: SNA
Programs: STARS/LUMINOUS, PRIVE, FSPP, STARS, MO FAN Club, PEN Club, Bellini Club
Posts: 2,612
Delta shows CAN-LAX available but AA doesn't show it (I've tried 5 calls). Not sure if its an agent issue (lack of training) or AA genuinely doesn't see the space. Called Australia and the agent was adamant that CZ is not a partner, so had to hang up.
May 22, 2019, 12:37 pm
#14
Join Date: May 2002
Location: SNA
Programs: STARS/LUMINOUS, PRIVE, FSPP, STARS, MO FAN Club, PEN Club, Bellini Club
Posts: 2,612
6 more call today and no luck. The space on DL/AF does not match up to what AA sees.
Jun 8, 2019, 11:52 am
#15
Join Date: Mar 2019
Programs: American Airlines
Posts: 100
Just searched random 7 day periods on Expert Flyer every month between now and EOS (LAX-CAN route) and couldn't find any CZ business (O) award space. Seems to be plenty of X and some F, but not a single J to be found.
I don't understand why, though that doesn't mean there isn't a reason.
I don't understand why, though that doesn't mean there isn't a reason.