JFK & CDG timing
Oct 16, 2018, 7:11 am
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JFK & CDG timing
Air France just cancelled our flight JFK-CDG and we rebooked on DL. A few questions:
What time should we arrive at JFK for a 5:50pm international flight? We are TSA precheck and in business class.
Our boarding passes include "Verify Passport". Can this be done at the lounge or gate or do we have to go to a check-in counter?
We hope to sleep on the flight. Should we try to move from row 9? We can't change seats online, so perhaps the flight is full.
Do we get fast track immigration at CDG? If so, just show the boarding passes or do we need a document from DL?
ETA: Is the relevant arrivals lounge the AF one in 2C? Can we just walk from 2E? Is it likely to be overly busy around 7:30am?
I apologize if this is not the right place to ask, but I'm a bit frazzled having to rearrange things to fly many hours earlier than scheduled.
What time should we arrive at JFK for a 5:50pm international flight? We are TSA precheck and in business class.
Our boarding passes include "Verify Passport". Can this be done at the lounge or gate or do we have to go to a check-in counter?
We hope to sleep on the flight. Should we try to move from row 9? We can't change seats online, so perhaps the flight is full.
Do we get fast track immigration at CDG? If so, just show the boarding passes or do we need a document from DL?
ETA: Is the relevant arrivals lounge the AF one in 2C? Can we just walk from 2E? Is it likely to be overly busy around 7:30am?
I apologize if this is not the right place to ask, but I'm a bit frazzled having to rearrange things to fly many hours earlier than scheduled.
Last edited by richarddd; Oct 16, 2018 at 8:15 am
Oct 16, 2018, 8:05 am
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The fastest and easiest way to verify your passports is at a kiosk in the check-in area. You will then get a new boarding pass that says Docs OK.
At CDG look for the Access 1 signs, the equivalent of Fast Track. Your boarding pass lets you use those lines.
At CDG look for the Access 1 signs, the equivalent of Fast Track. Your boarding pass lets you use those lines.
Oct 16, 2018, 8:33 am
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The docs check can be done at any stage in the process:
if if you have bags to check it’ll be at check in, but otherwise you can check in with your app and do the docs check in skyclub or even at the gate. It takes only a few seconds.
if if you have bags to check it’ll be at check in, but otherwise you can check in with your app and do the docs check in skyclub or even at the gate. It takes only a few seconds.
Oct 16, 2018, 8:38 am
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Arrival time -- I would recommend arriving at least 90 minutes before your flight; if you're not checking away you could get away with arriving 60 minutes out if you have a high risk tolerance. JFK T4 security can be chaotic but the Precheck line remains manageable; you'll be going through at peak time but even still it should be no more than 15-20 minutes for security, and probably less. (And much easier than it would have been at T1 flying Air France.)
There is the arrivals lounge at 2C, I think you should have access but not 100% sure if you'll get in flying Delta. Others may be able to confirm.
There is the arrivals lounge at 2C, I think you should have access but not 100% sure if you'll get in flying Delta. Others may be able to confirm.
Oct 16, 2018, 9:46 am
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I would arrive at least 2 hours before departure at JFK since T4 is a very big mess at that time. BP can be re printed at the lounge. With regards to arrivals lounge, you should have access.
Oct 16, 2018, 10:38 am
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Oct 16, 2018, 10:48 am
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As mentioned above, we're pre-check and business.
Oct 16, 2018, 11:25 am
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Even with Access No. 1, CDG can be a disaster - especially with the crush of DL flights all leaving for the US right around 10-11 am. It's the only airport in Europe where even with SkyPriority/Access No. 1, I still try to get there 2.5-3 hours before. I took an uber from central Paris, and once we got to the airport, it took over 20 minutes just to pull up in front of Terminal 2E. On the same trip, when I was on CDG-JFK, the SkyPriority bag drop line with AF (who handles all of DL's flights, similar to KL at AMS) was over a half hour, easy.
You might totally luck out and sail through, but better safe than sorry. It's an unfortunate pain.
You might totally luck out and sail through, but better safe than sorry. It's an unfortunate pain.
Oct 16, 2018, 11:43 am
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Even with Access No. 1, CDG can be a disaster - especially with the crush of DL flights all leaving for the US right around 10-11 am. It's the only airport in Europe where even with SkyPriority/Access No. 1, I still try to get there 2.5-3 hours before. I took an uber from central Paris, and once we got to the airport, it took over 20 minutes just to pull up in front of Terminal 2E. On the same trip, when I was on CDG-JFK, the SkyPriority bag drop line with AF (who handles all of DL's flights, similar to KL at AMS) was over a half hour, easy.
You might totally luck out and sail through, but better safe than sorry. It's an unfortunate pain.
You might totally luck out and sail through, but better safe than sorry. It's an unfortunate pain.
Oct 16, 2018, 11:52 am
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Go to T2 instead of T4. You will find a SkyPriority check-in area where they can verify your passport and re-print your BP. Once you clear TSA, follow the signs to B gates and take the Jittney bus to the stop closer to your gate.
Oct 16, 2018, 11:57 am
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How much time might we expect to save doing this rather than entering through T4?
Oct 16, 2018, 12:51 pm
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I assume this is for tonight (Tuesday)? Even at peak "time" (not peak day, that's probably Thursday), 20 minutes would probably be the high end to get through T4 security with PreCheck.
If you're checking a bag, the cut-off at JFK for an outbound international flight is 60 minutes, so I think planning to arrive 90 minutes prior to departure is okay, with some additional cushion depending on your mode of transport to the airport. If you're not checking a bag, 60 minutes (plus any needed cushion) is probably fine.
Oct 16, 2018, 12:56 pm
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You should aim to be at Jfk no later than 345. Delta suggests three hours, sixty minutes is the cutoff for luggage, checking in at the airport. If you aren’t checking luggage go right thru security. You can use a kiosk on the other side of security for passport verification or you can have it checked at the sky club or gate. How much time two vs 4 saves is somewhat dependent on your gate in terminal four. I personally always go thru four yes it can back up but I would say the longest I have waited has been 15 minutes. Yes the walk to some of the gates is long but it will depend on which gate you get as to how far the walk is.
Oct 16, 2018, 1:02 pm
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The flight is tonight. I'm just a bit frazzled due to AF cancelling my original flight, then after I rebooked on DL (leaving and arriving earlier than I'd like), purporting to rebook me themselves on a flight tomorrow.
Checking a bag is very low on my list of priorities.
Thanks to all for the very helpful advice.
Checking a bag is very low on my list of priorities.
Thanks to all for the very helpful advice.