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Beware: Last Minute Equipment Swap can result in a 10 across 77W even though it shows 9 across during booking
Answers to Most Frequently Asked Questions
777 Fleet Facts/Plan - 34 777-300ERs Total as of November 2018 - RL is available on All 777s - configuration reported based on FTer trip report noted in this topic
+ for 77A/M/B (New/Refurbished/10-abreast)
Links to other Discussions
Link to first post in this thread with seat maps
Answers to Most Frequently Asked Questions
- Yes, Royal Laurel (RL) cabin is available on ALL 777s
- Wifi is available on all 777s when it works.
- 77N/Seatguru V1 (38J/64W/211Y) - No longer in service
- 77A/Seatguru V2 (39J/56W/238Y) - 9-abreast Y cabin with WiFi
- 77M/Seatguru V3 (38J/64W/221Y) - 9-abreast with WiFi and 10 extra seats added in the rear Y cabin
- 77B/Seatguru V4 (39J/56W/258Y) - 10-abreast Y with new color scheme
- Kitty Jet
s are: Shining Star Jet (77A)and Hand-in-Hand (77M)- Currently serving ORD - Involved in a baggage cart incident at BKK on 9 NOV 2023, might be out of service a little - Seasonal changes are to be expected in the summer months; 77B aircraft will be shifted onto European routes and 77A/M aircraft will substitute in on North American services.
777 Fleet Facts/Plan - 34 777-300ERs Total as of November 2018 - RL is available on All 777s - configuration reported based on FTer trip report noted in this topic
- 0x 77Ws (Original Configuration with PL recliner J seats)
- 0x 77Ns / Seatguru V1 38-64-211 (First Configuration with RL lie flat J seats)
- 13x 77Ms / Seatguru V3 38-64-221 (Retrofitted from 77N with 10 more seats added in the rear Y cabin) converted from 77Ns starting summer of 2015/ended in 2H2016 - B-16703 (Hello Kitty Sanrio Family), B-16705, B-16706, B-16707, B-16708, B-16709, B-16710, B-16711, B-16712, B-16713, B-16715 (Star Alliance), B-16716, B-16717(Leased to Air NZ)
- Currently flies on TPE-LAX (Two night time flights, varies on the daytime flight), TPE-AMS (via BKK), TPE-CDG, TPE-LHR (via BKK), TPE-VIE, TPE-VIE (via BKK), Variable SFO(BR7/8 only)
- 11x 77As / Seatguru V2 39-56-238 in Service - B-16718, B-16719, B-16720, B-16721, B-16722 (Hello Kitty Shining Star), B-16723, B-16725, B-16726, B-16727, B-16728, B-16729
- Currently flies on TPE-JFK/IAH/ORD/YYZ/Variable LAX and SFO service
- 10x 77B / Seatguru V4 39-56-258 with 10-abreast economy cabin - B-16730, B-16731, B-16732, B-16733, B-16735, B-16736, B-16737, B-16738, B-16739, B-16740
- Currently flies on TPE-SFO [2x daily(BR17/18/27/28) w/ variable daytime service(BR7/8)], TPE-SEA, TPE-YVR
- Total of 34 777-300ERs + 5 777 Fs in the fleet when all aircraft are delivered
+ for 77A/M/B (New/Refurbished/10-abreast)
- Wifi/SMS - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eva-...i-service.html
- Improved AVOD - larger screen, multi-point, tablet style interaction(Tablet only available on 77A and 77B in RL), new Android-based IFE system on all aircraft
- USB/Power at every seat
- AVOD box removed from bottom of seat - more leg room
Links to other Discussions
- New 77A Configuration: EVA Air - Business Seat Question on 77W EVA Air - Business Seat Question on 77W
- Economy: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eva-a...777-300-a.html
- Elite and Economy Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...you-think.html
- Elite Discussions: EVA AIR Elite Class Premium Economy Review (777) EVA AIR Elite Class Premium Economy Review (777)
- 77N Elite Trip Report: http://www.flywithdinh.com/blogs/eva-air-elite-class/
- 77N Kitty Jet Trip Report: EVA Air Hello Kitty Transpacific Royal Laurel Class 2014 EVA Air Hello Kitty Transpacific Royal Laurel Class 2014
- RL Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...rel-class.html
- 10 Abreast Seating Discussions: EVA goes 10 abreast 777 EVA goes 10 abreast 777
- EVA Air Hello Kitty Service Changes(updated regularly by airline): http://www.evaair.com/en-global/abou...e.html?filter=
Link to first post in this thread with seat maps
Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on an EVA 777-300ER
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Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on an EVA 777-300ER
I just finished an EVA TPAC trip - one way in Royal Laurel (RL, Business) and one way in Economy (Y). I found that SeatGuru is not very detailed on the pluses and minuses of the seats. So, I figure I start a thread here, modelled after the United threads, for us to share our experiences.
Answers to Most Frequently Asked Questions
777 Fleet Facts/Plan - 23 777-300ERs Total - Exact Breakdown Unknown, RL is available on All 777s
Main Differences Between 77A and 77N
External - 77As have the dome for the antenna and no longer have the Chinese characters for EVA Air
+ for 77A (New)
+ for 77N
References/Existing Threads
Official Fleet Facts Page for BR 777-300ER
77A Delivery Announcement and Video (English): http://www.evaair.com/en-global/news...a-seattle.html
77A announcement and video: http://www.evaair.com/zh-tw/news-rel...-sky-wifi.html and
A Youtube video of the Elite and Y cabins:
New 77A Configuration: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...stion-77w.html
Economy: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...777-300-a.html
Elite and Economy Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...you-think.html
Elite Seat Photos
Elite Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...iew-777-a.html
77N Elite Trip Report: http://www.flywithdinh.com/blogs/nov...ir-elite-class
77N Kitty Jet Trip Report: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...ss-2014-a.html
RL Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...rel-class.html
10 Abreast Seating Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...ast-777-a.html
Layout of Passenger Accommodations (LOPA)/Seating Charts
77A: 333 Seats - 39J/56EY/238Y - select flights on LAX, JFK and IAH (Kitty).
77M: 323 Seats - 38J/64EY/221Y
77N: 313 Seats - 38J/64EY/211Y
77B: 353 Seats - 38J/64EY/251 10 across seating in Y
New Livery
Answers to Most Frequently Asked Questions
777 Fleet Facts/Plan - 23 777-300ERs Total - Exact Breakdown Unknown, RL is available on All 777s
Main Differences Between 77A and 77N
External - 77As have the dome for the antenna and no longer have the Chinese characters for EVA Air
+ for 77A (New)
+ for 77N
References/Existing Threads
Official Fleet Facts Page for BR 777-300ER
77A Delivery Announcement and Video (English): http://www.evaair.com/en-global/news...a-seattle.html
77A announcement and video: http://www.evaair.com/zh-tw/news-rel...-sky-wifi.html and
A Youtube video of the Elite and Y cabins:
New 77A Configuration: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...stion-77w.html
Economy: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...777-300-a.html
Elite and Economy Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...you-think.html
Elite Seat Photos
Elite Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...iew-777-a.html
77N Elite Trip Report: http://www.flywithdinh.com/blogs/nov...ir-elite-class
77N Kitty Jet Trip Report: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...ss-2014-a.html
RL Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...rel-class.html
10 Abreast Seating Discussions: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...ast-777-a.html
Layout of Passenger Accommodations (LOPA)/Seating Charts
77A: 333 Seats - 39J/56EY/238Y - select flights on LAX, JFK and IAH (Kitty).
77M: 323 Seats - 38J/64EY/221Y
77N: 313 Seats - 38J/64EY/211Y
77B: 353 Seats - 38J/64EY/251 10 across seating in Y
New Livery
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On the outbound, I had a seating mix-up. My pre-reserved seat was gone for some reason. I was too distracted to look at the seat number on boarding pass - since there was a picture of a cat on the boarding pass
When I got onboard, I realized my window seat became a middle seat in RL. So, I had a brief experience in the center. I found I could talk to my neighbor leaning forward a little. That seems to be the main question people ask.
They found a seat in the 2nd RL cabin - in row 8. I would recommend against that row. The problem is not so much the galley but the FA's opening and closing the closet right in front of the seat throughout the flight. The clicking sound and light that gets turned on when the closet opens is annoying.
On the return, I was able to get exit row in economy. Apparently, exit rows are only assigned at the airport to people who ask. In the economy cabin, there are 2 exit rows: 45 and 60.
The following applies to the 77N, it seems the space is reduced for the 77A for at least row 60. See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23954588-post134.html for my 77A notes.
45 is the first row of Y. The upsides are:
1 - window seat has very little intrusion of the emergency exit slide
2 - more front of the cabin
3 - lavs near the row belong to the Elite cabin so there is a curtain
4 - there is no galley
the downsides are:
1 - no window
2 - people from the Elite cabin and FAs would open the curtain and it can be annoying if you are in the aisle seat
3 - there is a passage way between the two sides of the airplane. The light in the passage way STAYS ON the entire flight. Eyeshades are needed to sleep
4 - it gets really cold
5 - FAs use that passage way to park their meal and duty-free carts (used to serve the Elite cabin) - it actually interferes with the aisle seat
So, it seems to me, for row 45, the better deal would be the window seats.
Row 60 seems to be a better deal. The down side is it is further back.... The emergency exit chute sticks out a lot more but the row is set a lot more back from the door. So, unless one is really tall (like 6'6"), it should not interfere with the window passenger. There is a window.
Row 60 is by the galley and lav. However, the galley seems to be lights out completely during the overnight flight - the one in the back of the plane is used. There is a decent amount of space so I don't think the lav traffic would be too annoying.
When I got onboard, I realized my window seat became a middle seat in RL. So, I had a brief experience in the center. I found I could talk to my neighbor leaning forward a little. That seems to be the main question people ask.
They found a seat in the 2nd RL cabin - in row 8. I would recommend against that row. The problem is not so much the galley but the FA's opening and closing the closet right in front of the seat throughout the flight. The clicking sound and light that gets turned on when the closet opens is annoying.
On the return, I was able to get exit row in economy. Apparently, exit rows are only assigned at the airport to people who ask. In the economy cabin, there are 2 exit rows: 45 and 60.
The following applies to the 77N, it seems the space is reduced for the 77A for at least row 60. See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23954588-post134.html for my 77A notes.
45 is the first row of Y. The upsides are:
1 - window seat has very little intrusion of the emergency exit slide
2 - more front of the cabin
3 - lavs near the row belong to the Elite cabin so there is a curtain
4 - there is no galley
the downsides are:
1 - no window
2 - people from the Elite cabin and FAs would open the curtain and it can be annoying if you are in the aisle seat
3 - there is a passage way between the two sides of the airplane. The light in the passage way STAYS ON the entire flight. Eyeshades are needed to sleep
4 - it gets really cold
5 - FAs use that passage way to park their meal and duty-free carts (used to serve the Elite cabin) - it actually interferes with the aisle seat
So, it seems to me, for row 45, the better deal would be the window seats.
Row 60 seems to be a better deal. The down side is it is further back.... The emergency exit chute sticks out a lot more but the row is set a lot more back from the door. So, unless one is really tall (like 6'6"), it should not interfere with the window passenger. There is a window.
Row 60 is by the galley and lav. However, the galley seems to be lights out completely during the overnight flight - the one in the back of the plane is used. There is a decent amount of space so I don't think the lav traffic would be too annoying.
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3 - there is a passage way between the two sides of the airplane. The light in the passage way STAYS ON the entire flight. Eyeshades are needed to sleep
5 - FAs use that passage way to park their meal and duty-free carts (used to serve the Elite cabin) - it actually interferes with the aisle seat
5 - FAs use that passage way to park their meal and duty-free carts (used to serve the Elite cabin) - it actually interferes with the aisle seat
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1/3rd of the users of the Elite lav are the regular economy folks sneaking through the curtain. (in my non-scientific estimation)
Since there is no easy way to get from one lav to the other, the Elite folks also use that passageway to get to the other side's lav if their side is occupied, and for "I need to stretch and not sit" breaks, adding to the curtain disturbances.
Since there is no easy way to get from one lav to the other, the Elite folks also use that passageway to get to the other side's lav if their side is occupied, and for "I need to stretch and not sit" breaks, adding to the curtain disturbances.
I did not see that many Y passengers using the Elite lav - the only one seems to be the guy next to me. Many seem to be coming from the other side of Elite.
By the way, I thought, like the RL seat, the Y seat was pretty stiff. I have also flown Elite before and thought the seat was nice - sort of foam like. The Y seat's form was good though - it supported me pretty well. The recline was actually more than I expected. I think like the UA E+ - maybe partially because the seat slides forward?
Oh, I tried a non-exit Y seat and could not extend my legs - there is a box under the seat in front. Is that box under every seat or only certain aisle ones?
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The "closed" Elite cabin is very strange and causes a ton of problems - for the Elite passengers who want get to the other side (e.g. to use the lav), Y passengers in row 45 and FAs doing their jobs. It is obviously not feasible to modify the cabin again and they probably want to keep Elite small to keep the yield up.
I did not see that many Y passengers using the Elite lav - the only one seems to be the guy next to me. Many seem to be coming from the other side of Elite.
By the way, I thought, like the RL seat, the Y seat was pretty stiff. I have also flown Elite before and thought the seat was nice - sort of foam like. The Y seat's form was good though - it supported me pretty well. The recline was actually more than I expected. I think like the UA E+ - maybe partially because the seat slides forward?
Oh, I tried a non-exit Y seat and could not extend my legs - there is a box under the seat in front. Is that box under every seat or only certain aisle ones?
I did not see that many Y passengers using the Elite lav - the only one seems to be the guy next to me. Many seem to be coming from the other side of Elite.
By the way, I thought, like the RL seat, the Y seat was pretty stiff. I have also flown Elite before and thought the seat was nice - sort of foam like. The Y seat's form was good though - it supported me pretty well. The recline was actually more than I expected. I think like the UA E+ - maybe partially because the seat slides forward?
Oh, I tried a non-exit Y seat and could not extend my legs - there is a box under the seat in front. Is that box under every seat or only certain aisle ones?
One thing for sure is that A and H will have those boxes, as they are aisle seats and BR assume pax do get extra space to stretch. I think it was D that has entertainment boxes located for the center rows, so that means G will be the best choice since you get the aisle and no box. But then again it's just my unreliable memory and needs to be verified.
I simply flew exit row seats recent years because legroom is really important for me. In terms of legroom I would even prefer Y exit rows to Elite class. Not even kidding.
Hence I have also seem many Y pax "undaciously" using elite toilets (not even secretly sneaking into). I feel it's just because the curtains are open while taxing and takeoff for security reason, so people do realize there are lavatories. Even after they closed the curtain after takeoff, I guess most pax don't even read "elite only" text on it and just assume it's the nearest for the to use. And BR PA don't seem to care much about it much, either, as long as elite pax don't complain...
btw, row 45 is better IMHO, too. BR crew preparing for meals could be rather "energetic," at least compared to super quite Japanese crew on NH I flew last time. lol
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Not completely related but I did ask at TPE how much it costs to pay for an upgrade on TPE-LAX when booked in Y on an award ticket. Answer:
Y -> Elite = US$750
Elite -> RL = US$2,500
Double upgrades are allowed for US$3,250.
Another word, 27,500 UA Miles = US$3,250 I got way more Hello Kitty in Y than in RL.
Another interesting thing to note is that the showers in BR's Star lounge in TPE T2 do not have toilets in each shower room. The Infinity lounge (for Diamonds and business passengers, I think) does.
Y -> Elite = US$750
Elite -> RL = US$2,500
Double upgrades are allowed for US$3,250.
Another word, 27,500 UA Miles = US$3,250 I got way more Hello Kitty in Y than in RL.
Another interesting thing to note is that the showers in BR's Star lounge in TPE T2 do not have toilets in each shower room. The Infinity lounge (for Diamonds and business passengers, I think) does.
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I've never flown Y on EVA, only E+ and J. I've been one of the E+ folks who have used the passageway in front of row 45 to stretch, both in the larger and smaller Elite configurations. Elite used to extend into the current RL rows 8/9/10/11 area during the PL era.
Quite often, I've seen the "all lavs occupied" sign in Elite when all the Elite seats still have occupants in them. The RL/PL curtain is tightly controlled, though.
Quite often, I've seen the "all lavs occupied" sign in Elite when all the Elite seats still have occupants in them. The RL/PL curtain is tightly controlled, though.
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Strongly agree with you. as E+ this is really disturbing. Especcially when you are unluckily seated at 27C,D,G,H
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I have 2 more questions:
1 - I was on the 777 Kitty Jet both ways. I didn't recall the mood lighting LAX-TPE in RL and forgot to ask. On the way back, I asked the FA and she said they have it only in RL (but I was in Y). Do they have it on all aircraft? Do they have to be manually turned on?
2 - It seems the Y AVOD is of a lesser kind than RL and Elite - no playlist feature? Are the contents the same? (Y has no power outlet, by the way.)
Thanks.
1 - I was on the 777 Kitty Jet both ways. I didn't recall the mood lighting LAX-TPE in RL and forgot to ask. On the way back, I asked the FA and she said they have it only in RL (but I was in Y). Do they have it on all aircraft? Do they have to be manually turned on?
2 - It seems the Y AVOD is of a lesser kind than RL and Elite - no playlist feature? Are the contents the same? (Y has no power outlet, by the way.)
Thanks.
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I am sorry! I did not mean to be ignorant. I know the seats are awesome, no doubt. I was just curious if anyone would recommend a better area since people here are very good in choosing the specific seats that are good inside the cabin. I know the seats are good, but some do pick sprecific rows/#'s.
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This is a great thread as it seems BR is attracting people's notice recently. ^
Had been on one of these 77N on the mid-haul flights TPE-PEK and I was on 2A. 2A is a wonderful seat as no significant downsides I can think of. However, legroom wise, I do think the seat of 1A is a little bit of restrict by looking at it. Haven't really sit in 1A so I cannot confirm it. Is it truly the case?
Now my next long haul flight will be on 6A, the only concern is the washroom behind the seat can be bothersome.
Had been on one of these 77N on the mid-haul flights TPE-PEK and I was on 2A. 2A is a wonderful seat as no significant downsides I can think of. However, legroom wise, I do think the seat of 1A is a little bit of restrict by looking at it. Haven't really sit in 1A so I cannot confirm it. Is it truly the case?
Now my next long haul flight will be on 6A, the only concern is the washroom behind the seat can be bothersome.