Horrible Western European flights
Jun 14, 2019, 1:39 pm
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I guess I was imagining the whole pot of utter mishmash, covering everything from LCCs down to W6, Y, J, and essentially all major carriers etc., but only within the EU because of outliers such as TK and any others with a 'full' business class seats (or those flights operated by them), and thinking more about the hard product and scheduling than soft based on the mention by the OP of seats and schedule padding (that's probably more of a LHR and other basically-at-capacity airports thing).
Jun 14, 2019, 4:47 pm
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That said, I must say that the second part really does not make much sense to me either. Saying that if the OP doesn't like just change jobs sounds a bit like: "if you don't like the colour of the tiles of your superb mansion then just move" or "if you don't like the taste of the love of your life in socks you should just divorce". I mean, no job is perfect, but quite frankly, the choice of airline (or even to an extent travel policy) associated with it is likely to be only an infinitesimal ingredient in one's choice of employment. And one can still complain about the colour of the tiles or their wife's taste in socks and love them very much, it's all good and fairly normal for human beings!
Jun 14, 2019, 5:45 pm
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I think this is a case of welcome to flying in 2019.
Whatever the airline, the glamour is gone. Even if you pay Ł1000 for LHR-NCE on BA, you might find no space in the overheads, you might not get a choice of meal - caviar, it isn’t.
The nicest flights are the half empty ones from quiet airports to quiet airports.
Tired of London, OP?
Whatever the airline, the glamour is gone. Even if you pay Ł1000 for LHR-NCE on BA, you might find no space in the overheads, you might not get a choice of meal - caviar, it isn’t.
The nicest flights are the half empty ones from quiet airports to quiet airports.
Tired of London, OP?
Jun 15, 2019, 12:55 am
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Jun 15, 2019, 3:36 am
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Jun 15, 2019, 5:10 am
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Quite extraordinary. I think what is horrible is the employer for making the OP fly BA in the first place.
I’d love to expand but the Tooth Fairy is coming for cocktails and gossip.
I’d love to expand but the Tooth Fairy is coming for cocktails and gossip.
Jun 15, 2019, 5:20 am
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I agree. I'd rather have reliable timing than hopelessly optimistic. And if you do get in early, nobody's going to complain.
Jun 15, 2019, 5:22 am
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I wish in these sorts of threads we remember that the airline business has become price-driven. It's something the majority of consumers press for and so we get the service and pricing packaging we've asked for. I'm afraid the days of glamourous European travel has long gone. You can just about still get it in higher cabins on long haul.
Jun 15, 2019, 6:21 am
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Simple answer is that OP is the passenger not the customer. The customer is OP's employer and BA caters to business traffic. OP has an employer issue, not a BA issue.
In the ordinary course, the simple answer would be to suggest that OP shift to another carrier. But, that will not happen here. Thus, OP is faced with a choice. Do the positives of the job exceed its negatives (which would include being required to fly BA). If the former, stick with it. If the latter, change jobs.
Most would not change jobs over this issue, but it is entirely OP's choice.
In the ordinary course, the simple answer would be to suggest that OP shift to another carrier. But, that will not happen here. Thus, OP is faced with a choice. Do the positives of the job exceed its negatives (which would include being required to fly BA). If the former, stick with it. If the latter, change jobs.
Most would not change jobs over this issue, but it is entirely OP's choice.
Jun 15, 2019, 6:23 am
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I happened to fly frequently within europe and unavoidabye using BA due to my company policy. I think BA realized it and quality of service is awful.
These are the most uncomfortable cramped together seats. If the flight time is 50 minutes, the ticket says 1 and 40 minutes. Most of the time you are sitting in the plane, awaiting departure window. Short flight becomes a very long and uncomfortable one. Quite disappointed with the airline view on its passengers. The quality of service is of a low cost airline, while pricing is mid range.
These are the most uncomfortable cramped together seats. If the flight time is 50 minutes, the ticket says 1 and 40 minutes. Most of the time you are sitting in the plane, awaiting departure window. Short flight becomes a very long and uncomfortable one. Quite disappointed with the airline view on its passengers. The quality of service is of a low cost airline, while pricing is mid range.
Jun 15, 2019, 6:54 am
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Simple answer is that OP is the passenger not the customer. The customer is OP's employer and BA caters to business traffic. OP has an employer issue, not a BA issue.
In the ordinary course, the simple answer would be to suggest that OP shift to another carrier. But, that will not happen here. Thus, OP is faced with a choice. Do the positives of the job exceed its negatives (which would include being required to fly BA). If the former, stick with it. If the latter, change jobs.
In the ordinary course, the simple answer would be to suggest that OP shift to another carrier. But, that will not happen here. Thus, OP is faced with a choice. Do the positives of the job exceed its negatives (which would include being required to fly BA). If the former, stick with it. If the latter, change jobs.
Jun 15, 2019, 7:25 am
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However, overall I cannot fault the OP for finding BA subpar. I'd consider them slightly subpar when thinking about the short-haul eco soft and hard product. (To be fair, I think BA's network is far above average, as is its ground product and its loyalty program.)
They were among the first European network carriers to start charging for tea, water, and seat reservations. The reconfig of the LHR- and LGW-based Airbus planes has started. 30 in pitch, max. of 2 in recline, and one of the thinnest eco seats among the European network carriers.
In my mind, when it comes to "enhancements" in short-haul eco, it would be more appropriate to consider BA as leading as opposed to lagging.