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Jun 24, 11, 1:34 pm
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Posted By law dawg

[QUOTE]Not a job I would want, but they signed-up...

[QUOTE]Not a job I would want, but they signed-up for it. No one is forcing them to stay. Job details changed? Happens all the time.[\QUOTE]
Yep. Still makes it a sacrifice, though. Other people...
Jun 24, 11, 12:56 pm
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Posted By law dawg

<decloak from lurk mode> Using is logic, then,...

<decloak from lurk mode>
Using is logic, then, the military doesn't make sacrifices either, in that it is 1) voluntary and 2) compensated.

As for what may (or not) be considered FAM sacrifices,...
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Posted By law dawg

Agreed, but what did they have? Time. Time to...

Agreed, but what did they have? Time. Time to plot, to plan. We talk a lot about how we've learned the lessons of 9/11. I bet they have too. And one of them is to not let the pax talk and plot and...
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Posted By law dawg

"I don't know" seems pretty telling to me. It...

"I don't know" seems pretty telling to me. It makes sense they may say goodbye just in case, but you can't convince me that those brave people weren't fighting for their lives up there. It wasn't a...
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Posted By law dawg

I've not found one single source documenting one...

I've not found one single source documenting one pax who rushed the flight deck that called to say goodbye because they thought they were going to die. I did find several that said they were going to...
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Posted By law dawg

Having gone through FAM training, I'd beg to...

Having gone through FAM training, I'd beg to differ. The simulations and force on force scenarios I've gone through brought me to a different conclusion.

But it's an important discussion that I...
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Posted By law dawg

I hope you're right, but experience shows...

I hope you're right, but experience shows differently. Pax restraining an EDP or jumping on a guy trying to light his shoes or after he blew his tallywacker (get it? Taliban? Tallywacker? :D) off...
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Posted By law dawg

I disagree. I believe they were fighting for...

I disagree. I believe they were fighting for their lives. The rest of it was secondary. They wanted to live - it's the strongest human instinct there is.

Either way, however, the fact remains...
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Posted By law dawg

With respect, that's your clear reason talking,...

With respect, that's your clear reason talking, safe and sound behind a keyboard. When, if ever, was the last time you fought for your life? When was the last time you trained to fight for your life?...
Jan 31, 10, 5:21 pm
Replies: 47
Views: 4,662
Posted By law dawg

I'm on record saying FAMs aren't of much use in a...

I'm on record saying FAMs aren't of much use in a IED incident except for cleaning up after the fact. Or the bomber uses the bomb as a threat device or they draw attention to themselves prior to...
Jan 31, 10, 4:44 pm
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Posted By law dawg

How many school fires happen a year? And yet we...

How many school fires happen a year? And yet we still train students and teachers and the like for them. Are they wastes of time and money? Same principle.


Two problems, IMO-
1)International...
Jan 31, 10, 10:15 am
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Posted By law dawg

No, they're more effective against a 9/11 type...

No, they're more effective against a 9/11 type attack. They do nothing against a traditional hijacking.


FAMs are next to useless against an IED but can be very effective against hijackings.
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Jan 31, 10, 10:12 am
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Posted By law dawg

Not my line at all. The line is the balance...

Not my line at all. The line is the balance between civil liberties and security - always a fine one. I don't believe everyone should be searched at random at all.
Jan 31, 10, 9:18 am
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Posted By law dawg

I would disagree too. See, human beings are...

I would disagree too. See, human beings are absolutely horrible predictors of future events. We like to think we have a handle on what's going to happen next, and we're almost always wrong. We're...
Jan 30, 10, 9:07 pm
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Posted By law dawg

All of those guys are, with one exception, legacy...

All of those guys are, with one exception, legacy Secret Service people. Retired and brought back for the FAM gig, because of their "experience." Front line FAMs have been fighting these guys for...
Jan 30, 10, 11:39 am
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Posted By law dawg

Not speaking to this specific incident, because I...

Not speaking to this specific incident, because I wasn't there and don't know they exact thoughts going on, but as a rule people will be held in order to keep the scene as close to the way it was as...
Jan 24, 10, 6:22 pm
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Posted By law dawg

Correct. Also correct. However, the...

Correct.


Also correct. However, the standards for use of force would be lessened as there is no backup, it's a very unstable environment (pressurized tube), prior terror plots and acts, etc.
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Jan 22, 10, 7:11 pm
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Views: 3,506
Posted By law dawg

1)Good. 2)No (thank god) 3)W/M

1)Good.
2)No (thank god)
3)W/M
Jan 20, 10, 8:16 pm
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Views: 3,506
Posted By law dawg

^ Best. Post. Ever.

^

Best. Post. Ever.
Jan 20, 10, 7:29 pm
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Posted By law dawg

Yep. Rumors in the wind........

Yep. Rumors in the wind........
Jan 20, 10, 6:46 pm
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Posted By law dawg

My money is on an ex-FAM upper manager.

My money is on an ex-FAM upper manager.
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