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Old Jan 12, 19, 1:15 am
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I am looking for suggestions on how best to use 180,000 Coop (Swedish COOP) points. Anyone here with any advice on what to do with them?

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer View Post
As part of the agreement behind the new government in Sweden, it seems that Miljöpartiet (environmental/green party) has been assured that the tax on flying will be reintroduced in Sweden.
Let's see how that works out, in concept and timeframe.
One way or the other governments love to increase the costs of transportation of most useful sorts, be it high fuel taxes at the road-side gas stations, high personal automobile registration taxes, air travel taxes on tickets, higher public transit fares and so on.

If the air travel tax becomes high enough, CPH may gain even more business at the expense of MMX.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 1:25 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post

One way or the other governments love to increase the costs of transportation of most useful sorts, be it high fuel taxes at the road-side gas stations, high personal automobile registration taxes, air travel taxes on tickets, higher public transit fares and so on.

If the air travel tax becomes high enough, CPH may gain even more business at the expense of MMX.
It may also hurt Arlanda, if the tax is distance based, it would make long haul routes connected via Copenhagen more attractive.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer View Post
It may also hurt Arlanda, if the tax is distance based, it would make long haul routes connected via Copenhagen more attractive.
Not necessarily hurt Arlanda that much, unless a huge group of Arlanda users are willing to take the risk of using separately booked tickets to try to save some money.

The MP in Sweden have been looking at using the UK APD model to deal with connections and multi-cabin itineraries. I dislike the UK's APD, and even as there are a chunk of us who do what it takes to reduce the amount we pay for APD, it doesn't really shift the needle much overall even as APD collection has increased over time.

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Old Jan 12, 19, 4:27 am
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How does UK departure tax work if I fly London Copenhagen Tokyo, as compared to London Tokyo? Apart from the envy effect of taxing premium economy and up quite heavily, I have never noticed the finer details. Can they actually tax the non UK departure section of a ticket? In this case the Copenhagen Tokyo section of a London Copenhagen Tokyo itinerary.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 5:10 am
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“Duty is charged on each passenger at the rate for the place where their journey ends (their final destination).”

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...passenger-duty
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Old Jan 12, 19, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by fassy View Post
“Duty is charged on each passenger at the rate for the place where their journey ends (their final destination).”

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...passenger-duty
Interesting.

I can't say I am in principle opposed to taxing air travel for environmental impact If, and that is a showstopper if at the current state of things, I could be sure that the money was actually allocated to mitigating the environment impact and it was agreed at a greater scope than one country.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 7:36 am
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The UK APD is just about generating revenue for the government. Any notion of it being used as an environmental offset fee is a joke.

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer View Post
How does UK departure tax work if I fly London Copenhagen Tokyo, as compared to London Tokyo? Apart from the envy effect of taxing premium economy and up quite heavily, I have never noticed the finer details. Can they actually tax the non UK departure section of a ticket? In this case the Copenhagen Tokyo section of a London Copenhagen Tokyo itinerary.
LHR-CPH-NRT has the same UK APD as LHR-NRT, as the APD for the trip is based on trip origin and destination regardless of connections involved on a ticketed itinerary. So yes, they can and do actually tax for the non-UK departure section of a ticket even as the amount isn't calculated on a per-segment basis but is calculated on a trip origin and destination regardless of the segments involved. Some UK airports have had no APD (or maybe even a reduced APD amount), and the distance band calculations for APD amounts are their own form of art.
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Old Jan 13, 19, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer View Post
How does UK departure tax work if I fly London Copenhagen Tokyo, as compared to London Tokyo?
You have to stay for more than 24 hours in Copenhagen to get the LON to CPH APD instead of the LON to TYO APD. Likewise, you avoid UK APD if you book CPH-LON-TYO, unless you stay in London for more than 24 hours.
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