Collective agreement for the pilots being negotiated
Jul 19, 2022, 1:35 am
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Jul 19, 2022, 2:13 am
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They are not abandoning the structure for Link and Connect it seems, and the existing agreement for Link and Connect. Just no new ones for the next 5.5 years.....
Jul 19, 2022, 5:05 am
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I have a doubt, really where are the employees with such high salaries? because the average salary per employee in SAS is 105,000 euros anual gross, approximately 920,000 crowns per month (and the salary of a pilot goes from 45,000 to 1,100,000, and they do not represent more than 10% of the company, it means that the Average salaries are very high in all jobs, right?
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Jul 19, 2022, 5:16 am
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I have a doubt, really where are the employees with such high salaries? because the average salary per employee in SAS is 105,000 euros anual gross, approximately 920,000 crowns per month (and the salary of a pilot goes from 45,000 to 1,100,000, and they do not represent more than 10% of the company, it means that the Average salaries are very high in all jobs, right?
Jul 19, 2022, 5:25 am
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I know that Scandinavians keep telling themselves this but as someone who hasn't taken vacation in over 30 years, I can tell you that is not true. The main issue I have with it being a legal obligation is that it removes the employee's choice. Not taking vacation and working harder are great ways to put yourself ahead of the curve for promotions and raises which the government now makes impossible.
I did my PhD at a top-tier lab in any Ivy League school. We had a post-doc who would work 20 hours a day, because they believed that it would get them ahead. Unsuprisingly their work was crap, because they were exhausted all the damn time.
Jul 19, 2022, 6:44 am
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I know that Scandinavians keep telling themselves this but as someone who hasn't taken vacation in over 30 years, I can tell you that is not true. The main issue I have with it being a legal obligation is that it removes the employee's choice. Not taking vacation and working harder are great ways to put yourself ahead of the curve for promotions and raises which the government now makes impossible.
Yet the most successful people work 100 hours a week, successfully. If you tell yourself you need vacation, you're going to perform less.
Yet the most successful people work 100 hours a week, successfully. If you tell yourself you need vacation, you're going to perform less.
Reason for asking:
I work in a high pressure environment where junior hours can be very long, but by and large they decrease over time. The ones who are older and have the "brains/ideas/strategy" tend to work fewer hours whilst if you are within a product line then you can work very long hours as you need to produce work. I don't find anyone working 100 hour weeks to be that useful in the end (and in fact can't remember last I met anyone who said they did work that), and whilst one person can do that (and remain peak) most simply cannot function. 100 hour works weeks is equivalent of 14+hrs per day, so realistically 17-18 hours on weekdays, with balance on weekends.
I know alot of 80 hours, week in, year out people, which works. Which leaves me to the last part; are you a lawyer and bill by the hour ;-) as I have found since moving back to Scandinavia, that surprisingly many (ie not the lawyers) consider checking e-mails and responding in the evening to be work; ie if they work for 5 minutes in the evening, somehow that translates into "I worked last night"-statements.
[side note: whilst Margaret Thatcher and several others who were infamous for sleeping 4 hours/night, the observation was made a few years ago that dementia and lack of sleep appears correlated].
Jul 19, 2022, 9:28 am
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Reason for asking:
I work in a high pressure environment where junior hours can be very long, but by and large they decrease over time. The ones who are older and have the "brains/ideas/strategy" tend to work fewer hours whilst if you are within a product line then you can work very long hours as you need to produce work. I don't find anyone working 100 hour weeks to be that useful in the end (and in fact can't remember last I met anyone who said they did work that), and whilst one person can do that (and remain peak) most simply cannot function. 100 hour works weeks is equivalent of 14+hrs per day, so realistically 17-18 hours on weekdays, with balance on weekends.
I work in a high pressure environment where junior hours can be very long, but by and large they decrease over time. The ones who are older and have the "brains/ideas/strategy" tend to work fewer hours whilst if you are within a product line then you can work very long hours as you need to produce work. I don't find anyone working 100 hour weeks to be that useful in the end (and in fact can't remember last I met anyone who said they did work that), and whilst one person can do that (and remain peak) most simply cannot function. 100 hour works weeks is equivalent of 14+hrs per day, so realistically 17-18 hours on weekdays, with balance on weekends.
I know alot of 80 hours, week in, year out people, which works. Which leaves me to the last part; are you a lawyer and bill by the hour ;-) as I have found since moving back to Scandinavia, that surprisingly many (ie not the lawyers) consider checking e-mails and responding in the evening to be work; ie if they work for 5 minutes in the evening, somehow that translates into "I worked last night"-statements.
Jul 19, 2022, 10:50 am
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[VG opinion about Anko van der Werff not understanding who he is even talking to and about - whether it concerns his own employees, or SAS's customers ]
Please, this was not a labor dispute, this was a company on the verge of bankruptcy trying to survive. The Norwegian media just continued the same tune they have been playing since the 1920s..
Please, this was not a labor dispute, this was a company on the verge of bankruptcy trying to survive. The Norwegian media just continued the same tune they have been playing since the 1920s..
Jul 19, 2022, 12:13 pm
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Do you really fly an airline based on the CEO? Do you make any consumer decisions based on the CEO? Especially when there are no equivalent alternatives? I can understand people not buying products or services based on the country of origin but not because of a company's CEO. I found previous CEOs of SAS much more laughable than Anko, specifically Matts Jansson but it never caused me not to fly with SAS when they were the most plausible option.
Jul 19, 2022, 12:40 pm
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Multiple nationalities, work in CGI, I guess I consider work executing on whatever your goals that you were given by your employer are or performing tasks laid out in your job description or job guide? I also consider completing tasks that might be subject to commission work or meeting a production quota.
I do reckon that the early years require more hours in various industries to gain seniority. People who work in strategy/idea functions typically need much greater performance management to make sure they do not ride a single idea for years to come, unless it was absolutely ground breaking or insanely profitable. I am fine with people having such ideas working less if those ideas manifest and catapult the success of a company and many other individuals. There are incredibly few of those people.
Not a lawyer but familiar with the type and problem. Checking messages/email is not work. Plenty of non-lawyers that work 80 hours week in year out people.
I do reckon that the early years require more hours in various industries to gain seniority. People who work in strategy/idea functions typically need much greater performance management to make sure they do not ride a single idea for years to come, unless it was absolutely ground breaking or insanely profitable. I am fine with people having such ideas working less if those ideas manifest and catapult the success of a company and many other individuals. There are incredibly few of those people.
Not a lawyer but familiar with the type and problem. Checking messages/email is not work. Plenty of non-lawyers that work 80 hours week in year out people.
CGI as in media?
Jul 19, 2022, 1:00 pm
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The very subsidiaries — which SAS created to lower its costs per revenue unit — are slated to grow.
Jul 19, 2022, 1:39 pm
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I know that Scandinavians keep telling themselves this but as someone who hasn't taken vacation in over 30 years, I can tell you that is not true. The main issue I have with it being a legal obligation is that it removes the employee's choice. Not taking vacation and working harder are great ways to put yourself ahead of the curve for promotions and raises which the government now makes impossible.
I do, Sweden doesn't enforce this at all and employers while not obligated to generally pay out the unused holidays at the end of the year.
I do, Sweden doesn't enforce this at all and employers while not obligated to generally pay out the unused holidays at the end of the year.
Jul 19, 2022, 2:07 pm
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I know that Scandinavians keep telling themselves this but as someone who hasn't taken vacation in over 30 years, I can tell you that is not true. Not taking vacation and working harder are great ways to put yourself ahead of the curve for promotions and raises which the government now makes impossible.
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Yet the most successful people work 100 hours a week, successfully. If you tell yourself you need vacation, you're going to perform less.
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Yet the most successful people work 100 hours a week, successfully. If you tell yourself you need vacation, you're going to perform less.
Shirtless Elon Musk vacations in Mykonos on luxury yacht
Oooops, so much for your “work yourself into the ground or you won’t be successful” theories… 😂😂😂
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Jul 19, 2022, 2:34 pm
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Do you really fly an airline based on the CEO? Do you make any consumer decisions based on the CEO? Especially when there are no equivalent alternatives? I can understand people not buying products or services based on the country of origin but not because of a company's CEO.