Collective agreement for the pilots being negotiated
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The same should be true for Sweden. It seems that the attractiveness of US Chapter 11 for SAS is that it gives SAS a bit more time to try to restructure with its physical assets still in place, and that the management and board stays in control to a higher degree than what would be the case if there was a formal restructuring under Swedish law.
i can only hope that MSA messes this up and leaves a bit of egg on the face oF SAS management, their American co-counsel, themselves and managements backers.
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I think its time SAS gets liquidated. Their structural problems will not go away, the company culture is toxic, it hasnt had a strategy in decades. Say they restructure- how long before they need to be rescued again? Pull the plug already.
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Chapter 11 or not, I dont see much chance of any SAS flight taking off if the mechanics go on strike.
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This has me wondering if the MSA-side lawyers in Scandinavia even already have a good understanding about how this goes on the labor side in Scandinavia. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are still running up the billable hours doing basic research.
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I do suspect they are in for a rude awakening with the US courts, but even in Sweden companies can do 'sneaky' actions. A company I consulted for some years ago managed to get rid of some of their labour costs in Sweden by shutting down their main site in one of the main cities and re-opened it in another main city. They were able to make it so that everyone from the original location had to reapply (with preferential treatment of course) to their existing jobs, but they weren't given any relocation support. Surprisingly, over 80% of the staff went for new jobs elsewhere. I do wonder if SAS is going to try something similar like "SAS International" (like Norwegian did) and place it outside of Scandinavia. I am just musing here of course. But my point here is that even in Sweden where some thing that unions hold ultimate power over everything, there are ways companies can get big changes done.
But what they can get away using the US bankruptcy process will be interesting. They lawyers will make out like bandits in any case.
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I am pretty sure SAS was planning to go into bankruptcy with the primary purpose to be to cut its labor costs and perhaps also even to cut its related historical obligations to employees (and maybe even also retirees). They have a true obsession, like some here, with labor costs in a labor market where employees’ post-tax incomes are much more compressed than is typical outside of Scandinavia.
A company having one or more lower cost units already in operation could allow for some faster shell games to be played by the company. For all the talk about labor inflexibility in Scandinavia, this goes sort of like it goes with those cooperative and rental housing rules in Sweden about renting to others — the players know how to play around the rules and get their way by nook or by crook.
On the contrary, but it’s circumstance-specific. Consideration for the way things operate or may operate at the nexus of business, law and public policy doesn’t change based on what I like and don’t like.
I really don’t like seeing people ripped off or otherwise harmed because of the incompetence, ignorance or unfair dealings of others. And that includes activities undertaken by law firms.
A company having one or more lower cost units already in operation could allow for some faster shell games to be played by the company. For all the talk about labor inflexibility in Scandinavia, this goes sort of like it goes with those cooperative and rental housing rules in Sweden about renting to others — the players know how to play around the rules and get their way by nook or by crook.
On the contrary, but it’s circumstance-specific. Consideration for the way things operate or may operate at the nexus of business, law and public policy doesn’t change based on what I like and don’t like.
I really don’t like seeing people ripped off or otherwise harmed because of the incompetence, ignorance or unfair dealings of others. And that includes activities undertaken by law firms.
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I would venture to guess that this is why Anko was chosen to be CEO. While I am upset at the moment with the strike, it was likely the correct decision to try and make SAS profitable in the long run. Just keep my EBG4LIfe active and I will be relatively happy
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This touches on something I was trying to (poorly) communicate in other posts. I wouldn't be surprised if SAS management was heading into this thinking that the bankruptcy proceedings would be able to have some effect on the labour costs. Chapter 11 is such a strange option to choose unless they have such substantial obligations coming due that this was the only way. Without knowing more, what this feels like is that they are trying to end SAS mainline and be able to keep the subsidiaries.
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Det som fr pilotfacket att se rtt r bildandet av ett nytt bolag dr SAS misstnks anstllda piloter frn gamla SAS om konflikten blir verklighet. Bolaget har ftt namnet SAS Crew Services A/S och registrerades som ett SAS-bolag dagen efter att piloterna gick ut med sitt strejkvarsel.Vi misstnker att SAS kommer att bli oerhrt aggressiv om strejken bryter ut med en konkret plan fr att manvrera ut pilotfacken genom en s kallad frigrande konflikt i Danmark. Det skulle betyda att bde anstllningsfrhllanden och kollektivavtalen med den personal som r i konflikt upphr med ngon veckas varsel. SAS skulle i nsta led kunna erbjuda den uppsagda personalen anstllning via det vi kallar fr brevldefretag med ett kollektivavtal som tecknats med en annan facklig organisation, uppger en pilotklla.
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Will Skatteverket go hunting for Anko’s income after he leaves Sweden to financially collect on his giving his backers what they want, perhaps that being SAS delivered on a single tray on the cheap?
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If he just never sets foot in Sweden again there is surprisingly little Skatteverket can and will do. If he's smart he never moved any meaningful assets/capital there in the first place, I assume a CEO of SAS-sized company is smart enough for that.
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Perhaps he should check out the tax treaties Sweden has and consider what MLATs and the MLA clauses in those treaties may mean for him.