Are there any lounges open in the Nordics (airline + contract)?
#31
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LO went thru a massive restructuring in the early 2010s when they were in deep trouble. The management left no stone unturned and revised most of the legacy contracts. Services are provided thru a network of affiliated companies that pay wages barely good enough to hold employees. Finnair did something similar, SAS tried quite a bit but still has a long way to go. Also the average income in PL is far below below any of the Nothern or Western EU countries. The incremental labor cost to restart a lounge in ARN is far higher than in WAW for sure.
Wages in Poland are fast catching up btw.
#32
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I heard somewhere that Norwegian staff are better paid than SAS staff in Norway, at least on the cabin crew side. Also believe there are no European nightstops for neither pilots nor cabin crews. While there are some interesting places in Norway, Lakselv, Alta or Bardufoss are not amongst them in my humble opinion. Add limited ability to plan ahead and issues regarding for instance childcare for those with young children the incentive to get a flying career are nowhere near what they used to be. A friend working at DY also said they’re struggling with low quality staff at their ground handling agents as salaries and benefits are so bad it’s difficult to get decent applicants. Assume the same applies to other airlines who have outsourced. He also added the catering supplier in OSL is rubbish, also caused by low quality staffing. They’re not cheap, though, as they have a near monopoly situation.
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I heard somewhere that Norwegian staff are better paid than SAS staff in Norway, at least on the cabin crew side. Also believe there are no European nightstops for neither pilots nor cabin crews. While there are some interesting places in Norway, Lakselv, Alta or Bardufoss are not amongst them in my humble opinion. Add limited ability to plan ahead and issues regarding for instance childcare for those with young children the incentive to get a flying career are nowhere near what they used to be. A friend working at DY also said they’re struggling with low quality staff at their ground handling agents as salaries and benefits are so bad it’s difficult to get decent applicants. Assume the same applies to other airlines who have outsourced. He also added the catering supplier in OSL is rubbish, also caused by low quality staffing. They’re not cheap, though, as they have a near monopoly situation.
The sad part with all of this horrible cost cutting on every possible things is easily explained. The flying public often only care about price and nothing else. If there prices were higher to cover higher salaries and better benefits. Someone like Ryanair or wizzair would show up on the other side of the route. Blowing them out of the water with even worse contracts and lower prices.
We might care most people don't see it and care about it
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Back to the original topic of this thread, any other lounge experiences? is there self-serve wine, beer, cocktails? Anything on any buffet (sounds like there's no food in WAW unless you request a nondescript lunch to be prepared?) Not debating merits of the workforce, just trying to understand what the lounge offering is. Thanks!
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Back to the original topic of this thread, any other lounge experiences? is there self-serve wine, beer, cocktails? Anything on any buffet (sounds like there's no food in WAW unless you request a nondescript lunch to be prepared?) Not debating merits of the workforce, just trying to understand what the lounge offering is. Thanks!
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Even now the food and drink options are great (no more champagne as Elite is still closed).
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Any news on the lounge in CPH. I bought my daughter a plus ticket so she could use the lounge in CPH on her way back to ARN from WAW. I know the lounge in WAW is open so she will be fine there but im a little annoyed that SAS can sell a plus ticket and not be able to offer several of its features.
I did this so she would not be wandering around CPH for a few hours and have somewhere nice to go to wait.
So, is CPH lounge open yet or is SAS going to be the absolute last airline to oopen its lounges to its premium fliers??
I did this so she would not be wandering around CPH for a few hours and have somewhere nice to go to wait.
So, is CPH lounge open yet or is SAS going to be the absolute last airline to oopen its lounges to its premium fliers??
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Went to the Menzies lounge in ARN T5, it was completely empty and had a few drinks and chips on offer. The LD was a bit inststent that my 11 year old younger son counted as a guest... I suppose we disturbed her TV binging session on the computer.
#43
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Im calling ........ on this whole SAS game. I bought premium econmy tickets for my daughter as I wanted her first unaccompanied flight to be a good one. They were bought a few weeks ago. I expected her to be able to use the lounge, fast track and get the usual benefits of the ticket. remember bought only a few weeks ago and says clearly on the ticket fast tracck/lounge access and snack/meal on the flights.
None of these have happened, ok, the fast track is no biggie but I expect her to be fed since it says it on the ticket and I expect her to be able to use the lounge since it says that on the ticket. Last week I rolled through WAW so I told her, that lounge is open you can use that.
Today she reported to me that they wont let her in because of her age. So, not even one advantage of the additional price for the tickets was realised for the whole flight in both directions.
I accept they are closed, I accept they have age restrictions I dont accept to sell these tickets and pocket the extra if you are not going to provide any and I mean any of the advantages such a ticket is being sold under.
And I understand the lounge in Copenhaven is still closed as well.
Its called cheating and even a child can see this...She loves Singapore air and Lufthansa but wont be so keen on SAS in the future I guess.
None of these have happened, ok, the fast track is no biggie but I expect her to be fed since it says it on the ticket and I expect her to be able to use the lounge since it says that on the ticket. Last week I rolled through WAW so I told her, that lounge is open you can use that.
Today she reported to me that they wont let her in because of her age. So, not even one advantage of the additional price for the tickets was realised for the whole flight in both directions.
I accept they are closed, I accept they have age restrictions I dont accept to sell these tickets and pocket the extra if you are not going to provide any and I mean any of the advantages such a ticket is being sold under.
And I understand the lounge in Copenhaven is still closed as well.
Its called cheating and even a child can see this...She loves Singapore air and Lufthansa but wont be so keen on SAS in the future I guess.
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I can report that at least on Sunday, COVID had closed the Gothenburg-Landvetter SAS Lounge. For some reason COVID has also made it impossible for LUH Senator Lounge in FRA to serve any alcohol other than Beer. Bad virus!