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Driving is more dangerous and maybe otherwise more costly than taking a flight or train to ski in Sweden.
The cost for ski rentals and accommodations on the slope are cheaper in Åre and Sälen than in Austria, at least when planned in advance. The costs for ski school are lower (and often free for young kids) at these two Skistar places in Sweden than they are in St Anton in Austria. Food prices? Austria isn’t cheap either. Are the Austrian ski conditions better in December and January? Yes, but I do most of my northern hemisphere skiing in February and March and then it’s more of a wash with weather and lift hours.
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The closest place you can ski is Hallandsås from Malmö, I haven't been there but if it's a cheap solution or can only go there for a day then it's a good alternative compared to drive all the way down to Austria.
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Never been up there - however my kids' school has a ski trip every February to go up there and the cost is like 10000 SEK which I think it's insane. For that price I can actually fly to Denver and drive up daily to ski.
The closest place you can ski is Hallandsås from Malmö, I haven't been there but if it's a cheap solution or can only go there for a day then it's a good alternative compared to drive all the way down to Austria.
The closest place you can ski is Hallandsås from Malmö, I haven't been there but if it's a cheap solution or can only go there for a day then it's a good alternative compared to drive all the way down to Austria.
The price of just lift tickets, equipment rental and food and a couple of hours of group lessons for a 12-year-old skiing for 7 days at Steamboat, Aspen, Vail, Copper, Snowmass in Colorado will easily cost more than 10k SEK. The cost of the just the lift tickets at Colorado resorts are the reason why multi-resort season passes make so much sense for my relatives. Accommodations during popular domestic school break periods can easily break the bank for a lot of people. Flying into Denver to ski is a bigger pain than flying into Salt Lake City to ski, as the better ski resorts are 90+ minutes from DEN airport while they are less than half as far from SLC.
Åre and Sälen seem to be getting more and more Danish and British skiers than used to be the case several years ago, and there must be a reason for that when ski-related flight options from CPH and UK airports can more easily get to say the Alps. The SCR flights should add to Danes and Brits skiing in Sweden. It will also add to Swedes skiing in Sweden.
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i can’t really see how AT is not cheaper than Sweden?
in addition in AT it is much easier to spent some leisure day in a nice town or do something else besides skiing.
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Well, I don’t drive... I fly and take a rental in Austria/France/Italy or the occasional trip to CH (which obviously is not cheaper than Sweden).
i can’t really see how AT is not cheaper than Sweden?
in addition in AT it is much easier to spent some leisure day in a nice town or do something else besides skiing.
As much as I’m used to driving in very icy and snowy conditions as someone used to much more extremely cold weather than most non-Skane Swedes experience, I am not a big fan of driving for ski trips. This is one of the main reasons I choose Aspen and Park City over say Vail or Whistler — I would rather have as short a drive as possible and prefer to not need a car during my ski trips or minimize use of a car.
Yes, Austria has more interesting stuff closer by for non-ski-days than can be said for Swedish ski areas but I can have two or 3 nights of ski fun in Swedish ski places during non-school-holiday periods for the cost of a night’s accommodation in St Anton.
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Is that for a trip when schools in the country are largely closed for the week? Those weeks tend to be expensive weeks to ski.
The price of just lift tickets, equipment rental and food and a couple of hours of group lessons for a 12-year-old skiing for 7 days at Steamboat, Aspen, Vail, Copper, Snowmass in Colorado will easily cost more than 10k SEK. The cost of the just the lift tickets at Colorado resorts are the reason why multi-resort season passes make so much sense for my relatives. Accommodations during popular domestic school break periods can easily break the bank for a lot of people. Flying into Denver to ski is a bigger pain than flying into Salt Lake City to ski, as the better ski resorts are 90+ minutes from DEN airport while they are less than half as far from SLC.
Åre and Sälen seem to be getting more and more Danish and British skiers than used to be the case several years ago, and there must be a reason for that when ski-related flight options from CPH and UK airports can more easily get to say the Alps. The SCR flights should add to Danes and Brits skiing in Sweden. It will also add to Swedes skiing in Sweden.
We went to Loveland to ski (we stayed at Breck but Loveland was the only thing that was opened at that time) and Mr. and the kids had a private lesson ($400 for 4 people for 3 hours lesson with everything included), and I saw one of the places offer free lift pass for kids under 12. I think Tahoe was cheaper (an hour lesson and free play afterwards), and it was fun to see the kids ski in t-shirt.
Haven't been to SLC yet, DEN was cheaper to fly into with *A.
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Unlike with Åre, Salen doesn’t work so well with the train. The SJ and Veolia/Snalltaget trains go right to Åre C and I’ve taken them a bunch of times to/from Åre. Can’t do that with Salen.
The night trains to Åre work fine on and off paper. The night trains to Åre are one of my staples for a few ski trips each year.
For Salen, the closest a train gets me to there on the Swedish side of the mountains: nearly 2 hours away by road, in Mora. And one of the few times where I’ve taken that drive, I’ve been stuck in “traffic” on the road for nearly two hours due to a disabled vehicle or two. So that was an exceptional nearly four hours of sitting on a bus.
I prefer a train or flight to having a 1+ hour bus trip on top of a train or flight. And so unless I’m late for the night trains to Åre, I try not to fly to OSD for my Åre ski trips.
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For the TRD flights to ski, how is the journey from TRD to Are? I’ve only come from the OSD-side when flying to get there, but TRD would work fine for me from CPH too. It seems to be a longer drive than OSD, but connecting at ARN to get to/from OSD is brutal at times.
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very true! But you won’t need to fear about me behind a wheel in icy conditions. I‘m German, born to drive!
(but driving in Northern Germany with 1/2“ of snow is about the same as in Skane)
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very true! But you won’t need to fear about me behind a wheel in icy conditions. I‘m German, born to drive!
(but driving in Northern Germany with 1/2“ of snow is about the same as in Skane)
I usually do not do skiing-only vacation but combine it with some hiking, city-trips, good dining, etc. so decent mobility at the location makes it much easier.
M-Sverige (ADAC Swedish version) is trying to push for a ban on studded tyres in Southern Sweden and I'm all in for that - all they did was scratching surface of the road without providing extra control on road with slush ice.
We also prefer a vacation without being trapped in one place - it was nice to stay a couple of days in a mountain resort but it's nice to get to do something else too.
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Fine drive and good road from TRD (which is on the 'right' side of Trondheim). Just under 2 hours under normal driving conditions. The part around the border might be vulnerable to bad weather. From OSD it is a bit over 1 hour.
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The drive from Malmo to St Anton am Arlberg is over 14 hours, and there is no rest when driving, whether or not doing it in one day or over two.
Driving is more dangerous and maybe otherwise more costly than taking a flight or train to ski in Sweden.
The cost for ski rentals and accommodations on the slope are cheaper in Åre and Sälen than in Austria, at least when planned in advance. The costs for ski school are lower (and often free for young kids) at these two Skistar places in Sweden than they are in St Anton in Austria. Food prices? Austria isn’t cheap either. Are the Austrian ski conditions better in December and January? Yes, but I do most of my northern hemisphere skiing in February and March and then it’s more of a wash with weather and lift hours.
My biggest problem with Sweden is the lack of sun. My idea of skiing is put on skis, ski down to the lift from the house, up to the top. Beer in the sun, followed by more beer in the sun. Kitzbühel has better skiing than Åre, MUCH better slope restaurants, and the beer is only 4 euros for a 50cl hefe...
Plus, I like the road trips. But you can always fly to MUC just as cheap as OST... :-)
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No brainer...