SAS Plus Europe [merged experience reports & FAQ]
#556
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Preferable @30.000 feet
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Posts: 1,673
I do not agree. In those places where they used to have contract lounges like MAN or WRO, there are no *G lounges. Which makes it a real annoyance for me as I seem to end up in these places quite a lot. Actually, they made me change my WRO rotations to LH because of this. (and the limited SK options...)
Beside that. When you quote, please don't change the quote. I wrote 20 flights in average over the last 20 years and EBD for the last 6 years in a row.
#557
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SJJ/AMS
Posts: 4,647
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#558
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,161
SAS has systematically shot itself in the foot with this semi premium economy concept on regional Europe flights. Granted the competition they face is Norwegian and other LCCs, but there is a demand for some premium service, especially to feed their lounghaul business cabin, which is pretty good. Why on earth would a business traveller want to rub shoulders with someone and be served a cube (along with a bread roll and no napkin) when flying to CPH to catch a longhaul business class flight? Is it so difficult/expensive to keep the seat next to them free and serve a simple tray with glasses and silverware? Penny wise pound foolish.
#559
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: AGH
Posts: 5,971
I agree there are a couple of airports where I would like SK to revisit their lounge policy. PRG is anther one of them and one where I also have switched to LH when going there. But in the big picture it's really minor issues not worth whining about.[...] It all become about turning travel time into work time and here fast track and lounge access is key
Same for me, my colleagues and customers I know of. For a lot of us, we have to connect to those airports anyway, then we just chose LH or some other Star Alliance carrier which still gives us contract lounge access. Worst part is, SK wanted to cut cost and now facing reduced loads and less revenue on those routes and will probably think they can't afford to reintroduce contract lounge access. Which leas to even a steeper decline.
Also, to be honest... for a lot of those airports e.g. WRO SKs pricing is ridiculous compare to LH or LO.
SAS has systematically shot itself in the foot with this semi premium economy concept on regional Europe flights. Granted the competition they face is Norwegian and other LCCs, but there is a demand for some premium service, especially to feed their lounghaul business cabin, which is pretty good. Why on earth would a business traveller want to rub shoulders with someone and be served a cube (along with a bread roll and no napkin) when flying to CPH to catch a longhaul business class flight? Is it so difficult/expensive to keep the seat next to them free and serve a simple tray with glasses and silverware? Penny wise pound foolish.
#560
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Preferable @30.000 feet
Programs: More than one
Posts: 1,673
While this could be true for the majority of SAS travellers (I don’t know), the cuts in terms of lounges and fast tracks were a major blow for those like myself departing from not-so small outstations (SAS has a good number of services out of Gdańsk, for instance): admittedly, I didn’t really care about the lounge as I was normally travelling on the first morning service, but the fast track was really important to me because those ‘smaller’ airports have a large number of flights (mostly low-cost carriers) and ‘standard’ security can (rather, is) a proper zoo
#561
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Preferable @30.000 feet
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Why on earth would a business traveller want to rub shoulders with someone and be served a cube (along with a bread roll and no napkin) when flying to CPH to catch a longhaul business class flight? Is it so difficult/expensive to keep the seat next to them free and serve a simple tray with glasses and silverware? Penny wise pound foolish.
For a lot of us, we have to connect to those airports anyway, then we just chose LH or some other Star Alliance carrier which still gives us contract lounge access. Worst part is, SK wanted to cut cost and now facing reduced loads and less revenue on those routes and will probably think they can't afford to reintroduce contract lounge access. Which leas to even a steeper decline.
Different people has different priorities, and thank god for that. Otherwise we would be robots. Instead of whining about minor inconveniences, try look at the bigger picture. You are flying with an airline, which has a good safety record, one of the highest ontime records, deals with disruptions effectively, are fast at accepting and paying out disruption claim, and normally have competitive prices for comparable products. Is it really still worth whining about lack of lounges in a couple of airports where *A doesn't give a crap either, or the poor food and service on board or lack of blocked middle seat, which by the way no other airlines does on premium economy?
#562
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: AGH
Posts: 5,971
You might want to cut back on the word ‘whining’. sounds really condescending.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
And yes, in general there are a lot of things why I book SK. But I’m not ignoring the shortcomings and if at some point (or for some destinations) SK is not convenient... well, I’ll book at the competition. And I suppose a lot of people do.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
And yes, in general there are a lot of things why I book SK. But I’m not ignoring the shortcomings and if at some point (or for some destinations) SK is not convenient... well, I’ll book at the competition. And I suppose a lot of people do.
#563
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,161
In Europe independent *A carriers like TP/SK/LO compete for the premium market that the UA/AC/LH A+ plus partners have priced themselves out of. This is done by offering 2000-3000€ longhaul tickets with a transfer in LIS/WAW/CPH where the others want 4000-5000€ for the direct flight. Right now this is the only reason why they get this business. TP & LO atleast make a figleaf effort to pretend they are offering a premium end to end product. I know TAP has now copied SAS in removing lounge access in non *A hubs. Maybe that is a big cost factor that saves you from bk
#565
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: CPH, Swedish side of the bridge
Programs: SK*G (EBD)
Posts: 574
So is not whining?
Well. I've been EBD for 6 years in a row with at least 1 year where I earned enough points for EBD status twice. Over the last 20 years, I've had an average of 20 flights a year. If that doesn't make me a frequent flyer I don't really know what it take to be a frequent flyer.
Most frequent flyer I know of don't care about the service on board. They care about having fast track security access, lounge access and proper handling of disruptions. All things that SAS is pretty good at. The termination of the contract lounges on the smaller outstations is in reality only a minor issue as most PLUS pax already are *G members and therefore have access to the *G lounges.
Well. I've been EBD for 6 years in a row with at least 1 year where I earned enough points for EBD status twice. Over the last 20 years, I've had an average of 20 flights a year. If that doesn't make me a frequent flyer I don't really know what it take to be a frequent flyer.
Most frequent flyer I know of don't care about the service on board. They care about having fast track security access, lounge access and proper handling of disruptions. All things that SAS is pretty good at. The termination of the contract lounges on the smaller outstations is in reality only a minor issue as most PLUS pax already are *G members and therefore have access to the *G lounges.
I almost always agree with you, but I do not agree with this latest defence of SK. They are an incompetent airline run by an overpaid and amazingly incompetent CEO. The don't give a damn about their status flyers, and care even less about their non-status (but paying out of their own pocket) customers. This airline is doomed to bankruptcy as soon as the Nordic governments stop bailing it out.
Too bad, since I am a year away from LTG...
#566
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: 280 from HMR DVOR
Programs: EBG
Posts: 332
You might want to cut back on the word ‘whining’. sounds really condescending.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
And yes, in general there are a lot of things why I book SK. But I’m not ignoring the shortcomings and if at some point (or for some destinations) SK is not convenient... well, I’ll book at the competition. And I suppose a lot of people do.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
And yes, in general there are a lot of things why I book SK. But I’m not ignoring the shortcomings and if at some point (or for some destinations) SK is not convenient... well, I’ll book at the competition. And I suppose a lot of people do.
Fassy, that’s what’s going on. Sas is not at the top of the list As soon as I get gold ( usually a few months) they drop to the bottom. I still use them but there have to be good reasons. Fast track, lounge I already get.
I am always surprised how much Sas leaves on the table.
#567
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: London, UK.
Programs: SQ LPPS, A3 *G, BA Silver aiming for Bronze
Posts: 1,506
May I just make a slightly pedantic point?
SAS Ireland is indeed that but I have yet to meet an Irish member of their crew or hear the voice of an Irish pilot on the PA.
The cabin crew seem to be mostly Eastern Europeans and I've also met a few Russian. The pilots are a mixed bunch, quite a few picked up in the UK when Monarch went to the wall but SAS Ireland is not an Irish crewed airline.
I also think service standards are poor compared to main line although flying out of LHR we seem stuck with them. Couldn't they be shared around a bit more and inflicted on other markets?
SAS Ireland is indeed that but I have yet to meet an Irish member of their crew or hear the voice of an Irish pilot on the PA.
The cabin crew seem to be mostly Eastern Europeans and I've also met a few Russian. The pilots are a mixed bunch, quite a few picked up in the UK when Monarch went to the wall but SAS Ireland is not an Irish crewed airline.
I also think service standards are poor compared to main line although flying out of LHR we seem stuck with them. Couldn't they be shared around a bit more and inflicted on other markets?
#568
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: AGH
Posts: 5,971
True, very few Irish crew members. One of the FAs last week was Irish but mostly they are not.
But like the Swedish crews the SK Ireland crews tend to be younger than the average Danish crew which form my experience makes a difference in their service attitude.
But like the Swedish crews the SK Ireland crews tend to be younger than the average Danish crew which form my experience makes a difference in their service attitude.
#569
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Preferable @30.000 feet
Programs: More than one
Posts: 1,673
You might want to cut back on the word ‘whining’. sounds really condescending.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
I think stating the facts, e.g. that for me it makes a difference and I base my decision to book or not to book SK around things like these minor inconveniences like you call them. That isn’t whining.
Picking another airline for any reason is not whining, but using every single opportunity to complain about the reason here, is. Everyone has different opinion about what good service is. Some like a lot of attention. Personally I like to be left alone and not bothered with offers of water, more wine, bread etc. every 5 min.
#570
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Preferable @30.000 feet
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Posts: 1,673
Well. I'm actually not defending SK here. I'm whining about the constant whining about the constant whining about the on board service and comparing of a premium eco product on one airline to a bizz product on another. If not getting the table cloth and only a plastic cup for you wine, is the worst you have to complain about, it must have been a good flight.