SAS pilots on strike in April 2019
Apr 27, 2019, 12:44 pm
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This is definitely not going on just in the background. Could it turn out like the AF situation? Not sure, but AF may be facing a strike in May that isn’t just in the background.
Apr 27, 2019, 12:59 pm
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The government could enact a law to enforce arbitration, and stop a strike, but they usually let it run it's way for some time first (to try to let the partys agee on their own). Only when life, health or vital national interests are at stake, they could formally stop the strike.
Apr 27, 2019, 2:32 pm
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Apr 27, 2019, 2:40 pm
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The pilots won't come back until this is resolved. As all of mainline SAS is now closed down, this cannot just go on in the background.
The government could enact a law to enforce arbitration, and stop a strike, but they usually let it run it's way for some time first (to try to let the partys agee on their own). Only when life, health or vital national interests are at stake, they could formally stop the strike.
The government could enact a law to enforce arbitration, and stop a strike, but they usually let it run it's way for some time first (to try to let the partys agee on their own). Only when life, health or vital national interests are at stake, they could formally stop the strike.
Apr 27, 2019, 4:22 pm
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SAS strike rebooking - booked through Expedia
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I booked a trip BRU-CPH on Monday and CPH-ORD tuesday through Expedia due to SAS inability to book such itineary online.
Now with strike, in case of cancellation of my Monday flight, can I call SAS to sort it out, or do I really need to call Expedia?
Flight is in business and I am EBG if it helps.
I booked a trip BRU-CPH on Monday and CPH-ORD tuesday through Expedia due to SAS inability to book such itineary online.
Now with strike, in case of cancellation of my Monday flight, can I call SAS to sort it out, or do I really need to call Expedia?
Flight is in business and I am EBG if it helps.
Apr 27, 2019, 4:48 pm
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In other words, wildcat strikes are not extraordinary circumstances. I think it's untested if normal strikes are extraordinary circumstances.
Apr 27, 2019, 5:06 pm
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I assume the rebooking is onto later date SAS flights - with the earliest rebook date still listed as 6-MAY (assuming they settled and are flying again).
My issue is my flights are on the 3-MAY - and I want SAS to rebook me on ANOTHER airline on the same day.
Has anyone seen this listed or been able to make this happen?
Apr 27, 2019, 5:37 pm
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In other words, wildcat strikes are not extraordinary circumstances. I think it's untested if normal strikes are extraordinary circumstances.
In other words, wildcat strikes are not extraordinary circumstances. I think it's untested if normal strikes are extraordinary circumstances.
And Ryanair is claiming in its defense in the UK that courts in Italy, Spain and Germany have already determined that “extraordinary circumstances” apply to strikes writ large. This is despite the fact that the EC’s considered revisions to EC 261/2004 was done with the idea that not all strikes would be considered “extraordinary circumstances” and to have more explicit language in this regard making that more clear.
Courts siding with consumers over companies and unions in this area? I would hazard a guess and say not likely at the national levels at least in places where unions and union membership are strong and more popularly well regarded or relevant to the working majority.
Apr 27, 2019, 5:47 pm
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Just to further substantiate this, we had an SK reward flight cancelled last year a few hours before departure. Not only did they rebook us to OS and provide full EC261 compensation, we also got booked into a revenue bucket which meant we even got points for the flight
If anyone can suggest, I would be happy to hear.
Apr 27, 2019, 6:00 pm
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Side note, are there any airlines with a website that is not a mess?
Apr 27, 2019, 6:04 pm
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TK's website is a technical mess quite to rival SK. I rarely can get it to find corporate TA bookings to do seat changes. I would guess this is just caused by being a 117 stock ticket If you have a PNR and confirmation with ticket number from SK, I would not worry.
Side note, are there any airlines with a website that is not a mess?
Side note, are there any airlines with a website that is not a mess?
Apr 27, 2019, 6:23 pm
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TK's website is a technical mess quite to rival SK. I rarely can get it to find corporate TA bookings to do seat changes. I would guess this is just caused by being a 117 stock ticket If you have a PNR and confirmation with ticket number from SK, I would not worry.
Side note, are there any airlines with a website that is not a mess?
Side note, are there any airlines with a website that is not a mess?
No, some companys have good features but not one is 100%. Make a mix of all the good functions and sell it
Apr 27, 2019, 6:56 pm
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That predates the move in late 2018 by the UK toward enforcing action against Ryanair for claiming strike-impacted passengers weren’t covered due to “extraordinary circumstances.
And Ryanair is claiming in its defense in the UK that courts in Italy, Spain and Germany have already determined that “extraordinary circumstances” apply to strikes writ large. This is despite the fact that the EC’s considered revisions to EC 261/2004 was done with the idea that not all strikes would be considered “extraordinary circumstances” and to have more explicit language in this regard making that more clear.
Courts siding with consumers over companies and unions in this area? I would hazard a guess and say not likely at the national levels at least in places where unions and union membership are strong and more popularly well regarded or relevant to the working majority.
The first is the ones which happens during an agreement period. They often happens without notice, and are normally send to the arbitration courts within hours and normally deemed illegal within hours and the employees are fined if they don't return to work within hours after the ruling.
The second type is what we see at the moment. It's part of the negotiation between the employers unions and the employees unions. The arbitration courts can only postpone this kind of strike if they think the negotiations will lead to a deal. They can't stop them. The parlament can pass a law which dictates a 1 or 2 year agreement between the unions, but will never do this unless the strikes has a serious impact on the country, and I don't think we will see this in any of the Scandinavian countries. There are too many other airlines, and only DK and SE stil has shares in SAS.
For the first type of strike the Airline can do something, so in that case I would say it's not extraordinary circumstances.
For the second type. They only thing the airlines can do to stop the strikes, is signing the new agreement with the unions. IMHO it's kind of blackmail if the unions get EC261 compensation as a weapon on their side during the negotiations which is currently ongoing.
Apr 27, 2019, 6:58 pm
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