SAS hopes to begin CPH-HND, ARN-NRT by 2020
Dec 3, 2019, 5:11 am
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I feel like SAS has given up largely on the idea of ARN being to SK what HEL is to AY, when it comes to Asia-Pacific travel.
I would be surprised if NH can sustain more than 3 or 4 flights a week to ARN on a year round basis. I wouldn’t be surprised if such NH route is history — as in sort of like USAir/American at ARN — before even 2025 is over.
Dec 3, 2019, 5:23 am
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HND-ARN-MMX is something I would avoid. Not only do I find using MMX to be more of a hassle because of it being out of the way more than CPH for me, I also dislike international-to-domestic transfers at ARN. That is even as I am fine with domestic-to-international transfers at ARN.
I feel like SAS has given up largely on the idea of ARN being to SK what HEL is to AY, when it comes to Asia-Pacific travel.
I would be surprised if NH can sustain more than 3 or 4 flights a week to ARN on a year round basis. I wouldn’t be surprised if such NH route is history — as in sort of like USAir/American at ARN — before even 2025 is over.
I feel like SAS has given up largely on the idea of ARN being to SK what HEL is to AY, when it comes to Asia-Pacific travel.
I would be surprised if NH can sustain more than 3 or 4 flights a week to ARN on a year round basis. I wouldn’t be surprised if such NH route is history — as in sort of like USAir/American at ARN — before even 2025 is over.
AY has a good coverage to Asia, am I missing something?
Dec 9, 2019, 1:32 am
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Dec 9, 2019, 2:13 am
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I wonder if they are lobbying for better times, or they plan to leave the plane in Haneda waiting for an overnight return. Now that would be attractive. Or maybe they are just running with the marketing spin.
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Dec 9, 2019, 2:15 am
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CPH NRT will be ended. It is at the end of the press release.
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-to-o...ute-to-haneda/
So one daily Stockholm with ANA and one Daily Copenhagen with SK
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-to-o...ute-to-haneda/
So one daily Stockholm with ANA and one Daily Copenhagen with SK
Dec 9, 2019, 2:30 am
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I would call the (expected) 6am arrival in to Haneda as attractive, but the 8:45am return is not attractive. 8:45am is OK, it works. But not attractive.
I wonder if they are lobbying for better times, or they plan to leave the plane in Haneda waiting for an overnight return. Now that would attractive. Or maybe they are just running with the marketing spin.
I wonder if they are lobbying for better times, or they plan to leave the plane in Haneda waiting for an overnight return. Now that would attractive. Or maybe they are just running with the marketing spin.
Dec 9, 2019, 2:45 am
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Dec 9, 2019, 3:18 am
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3-4.5 hours seems closer to be the preferred maximum time for an international long-haul turnaround than 6+ hours.
Dec 9, 2019, 7:11 am
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That sounds like it would be a sub-optimal use of an expensive asset in a business where a major key to financial success is to maximize the ratio of the asset’s revenue-generating hours to its non-revenue-generating hours. And airlines seem to want to migrate away from the business of regional tags added before or after a long-haul flight.
3-4.5 hours seems closer to be the preferred maximum time for an international long-haul turnaround than 6+ hours.
3-4.5 hours seems closer to be the preferred maximum time for an international long-haul turnaround than 6+ hours.
There are plenty of examples, some as the return flight just does not work with a shorter layover, some maybe because the airlines belive they can charge a higher price for a more convenient departure time.
Dec 9, 2019, 7:13 am
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Dec 9, 2019, 8:24 am
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That sounds like it would be a sub-optimal use of an expensive asset in a business where a major key to financial success is to maximize the ratio of the asset’s revenue-generating hours to its non-revenue-generating hours. And airlines seem to want to migrate away from the business of regional tags added before or after a long-haul flight.
3-4.5 hours seems closer to be the preferred maximum time for an international long-haul turnaround than 6+ hours.
3-4.5 hours seems closer to be the preferred maximum time for an international long-haul turnaround than 6+ hours.
Dec 9, 2019, 10:43 am
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It is a subobtimal use. But far more common than one would assume. Qantas coming in to Haneda at 6am returns at 10pm, ANA flying Haneda to Sydney arrives in Sydney around 8am and returns to Haneda around 9pm. The European carriers in Bangkok tend to arrive early afternoon and depart after around midnight.
There are plenty of examples, some as the return flight just does not work with a shorter layover, some maybe because the airlines belive they can charge a higher price for a more convenient departure time.
There are plenty of examples, some as the return flight just does not work with a shorter layover, some maybe because the airlines belive they can charge a higher price for a more convenient departure time.
