EU261 question

Old Apr 8, 2018, 2:55 am
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EU261 question

This is an odd situation I have never seen before, and would like some advice/info.

A colleague's family was traveling SFO-CDG-ARN on a ticket via a OTA. SFO-CDG was UA, CDG-ARN was SK.

On check-in at SFO their bags were ticketed to ARN but the agent could not print a boarding pass CDG-ARN. At CDG they were denied boarding on the SK flight with the argument that their booking was SFO-CDG, ARN-SFO. This is clearly not true, since the bags were ticketed to ARN. Also, while the family was at CDG I was called to check on the problem. UA / SK clearly had SFO-CDG as the whole outbound flight. LX, however, had the full SFO-CDG-ARN routing on their system (home flight routed via ZRH). That this was an error is also clear since they were rebooked on another flight.

So some airline dropped the ball. Instead of arriving ARN at 16:30 they arrived at 23:50. Which airline should be contacted regarding the compensation, and is it €600 since it was TATL or only €400 for the CDG-ARN leg (which is luckily 1534 kilometers)?

Thanks for your help!
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 3:09 am
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I'm a bit confused...

1. Was this all on one ticket? (Is it possible the the OTA tacked together two separate flights? - though this does not answer the LX view)
2. Whose ticket stock was it on?
3. How did they eventually fly into ARN? (Why were they let on the later flight while being denied on the former?)
4. My reading of this (making some assumptions) is that SK denied boarding on the intra-EU leg, so probably €400.
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 3:40 am
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If there was a problem in the system, I doubt that compensation is due. If this is the case, SK would have no choice but to make the passengers wait until it can be clarified

But it really needs the clarity of what was the specific tickets issued. (The fact that LX could see the whole flight would make me suspect that one ticket was SFO CDG, and another CDG ARN ZRH SFO.)
Also, how was the problems solved.
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 5:54 am
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1. Single ticket.
2. UA stock.
3. UA rerouted them CDG-FRA-ARN with LH. Possibly SK FRA-ARN, unsure.
4. Yeah, the TATL flight was fine, it was the connection that didn't work.

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Old Apr 8, 2018, 6:05 am
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It sounds a like a strange case.

I guess best course is to claim denied boarding comp with SK, either they will get the comp or a detailed explanation of what happened.

To be honest I lean towards an explanation be upcoming, though no comp But that's just me guessing
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 8:11 am
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Apparently, the pax had for some unknown reasons no valid ticket for the CDG-ARN leg. Therefore this is not a denied boarding situation; denied boarding requires a valid ticket. Someone screwed up, most likely the OTA or UA when ticket was issued. That is probably also why UA agreed to rebook the pax to ARN. UA is not liable for denied boarding as per EU Reg. 261/04 as UA was not the operating carrier. Maybe UA is liable to comp. under US law but I have no qualified opinion on this.
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by SK AAR
Apparently, the pax had for some unknown reasons no valid ticket for the CDG-ARN leg. Therefore this is not a denied boarding situation; denied boarding requires a valid ticket. Someone screwed up, most likely the OTA or UA when ticket was issued. That is probably also why UA agreed to rebook the pax to ARN. UA is not liable for denied boarding as per EU Reg. 261/04 as UA was not the operating carrier. Maybe UA is liable to comp. under US law but I have no qualified opinion on this.
Invalid ticket would also be my main guess
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Old Apr 8, 2018, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
The fact that LX could see the whole flight would make me suspect that one ticket was SFO CDG, and another CDG ARN ZRH SFO.
The more I think about this, I wonder if this is indeed the case.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:25 pm
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There is only one PNR, so I can't really see how this would be the case. UA gladly routed the bags to ARN, so it must have been in their system at check-in at SFO.
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Now I'm just plain curious...unless it's down to some silly IT mistake.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by JR67
There is only one PNR, so I can't really see how this would be the case. UA gladly routed the bags to ARN, so it must have been in their system at check-in at SFO.
What about ticket numbers for all the sectors? A PNR can have several tickets
As above, the "ticket via a OTA" is a possible cause.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
What about ticket numbers for all the sectors? A PNR can have several tickets
As above, the "ticket via a OTA" is a possible cause.
Great question - I don't know, but can try to find out. The really strange part to me is routing the bags to ARN. If there is no valid ticket then that shouldn't have happened. I am really leaning towards IT snafu, since I could see everything in LX system, and there was nothing that looked odd there, even though SK's and LH's systems showed something different.
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Old Apr 10, 2018, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
What about ticket numbers for all the sectors? A PNR can have several tickets
As above, the "ticket via a OTA" is a possible cause.
I have the original itinerary from the OTA and one printed from Swiss. It is clear that the entire trip was on a single ticket on UA stock (016). This, combined with the fact that the bags were checked through to ARN leads me to believe that they had a valid ticket CDG-ARN at check-in at SFO, and this ticket somehow fell off during the TATL.

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