SAS, CPH and the lockout
Apr 13, 2018, 6:40 am
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Strike Likely
https://www.thelocal.dk/20180412/lockout-looms-with-no-agreement-between-danish-unions-authorities
Not looking good at this point. Strike on, unless something happens on Sunday?
Not looking good at this point. Strike on, unless something happens on Sunday?
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Apr 13, 2018, 10:57 am
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There will be negotiations all weekend, and they can still postpone it once more if they are getting closer to making a deal. But no, it isn't looking good.
Apr 13, 2018, 7:04 pm
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The current arbitration period runs until Tuesday. If there is no agreement by then there are two options.
1. The arbitration is extended another two weeks. The arbiter needs to feel convinced that there is a possibility to reach an agreement but does not need to submit any arguments as why she feels that is possible
2. Heading in to strike and subsequently lockout The strike can start 5 days after the end of the arbitration period, and if I remember correctly, the lockout is announced to hit two days after that There will be no negotiations in the 5 period
Initially I felt reasonably convinced there would be no strike, now I am more doubtful on that view. I think we may get another extension, as out of the three areas (state, regional and local) only one seems difficult at the moment. But let's see. Challenging that the unions have said 'all or none'
1. The arbitration is extended another two weeks. The arbiter needs to feel convinced that there is a possibility to reach an agreement but does not need to submit any arguments as why she feels that is possible
2. Heading in to strike and subsequently lockout The strike can start 5 days after the end of the arbitration period, and if I remember correctly, the lockout is announced to hit two days after that There will be no negotiations in the 5 period
Initially I felt reasonably convinced there would be no strike, now I am more doubtful on that view. I think we may get another extension, as out of the three areas (state, regional and local) only one seems difficult at the moment. But let's see. Challenging that the unions have said 'all or none'
Apr 14, 2018, 11:37 am
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The current arbitration period runs until Tuesday. If there is no agreement by then there are two options.
1. The arbitration is extended another two weeks. The arbiter needs to feel convinced that there is a possibility to reach an agreement but does not need to submit any arguments as why she feels that is possible
2. Heading in to strike and subsequently lockout The strike can start 5 days after the end of the arbitration period, and if I remember correctly, the lockout is announced to hit two days after that There will be no negotiations in the 5 period
Initially I felt reasonably convinced there would be no strike, now I am more doubtful on that view. I think we may get another extension, as out of the three areas (state, regional and local) only one seems difficult at the moment. But let's see. Challenging that the unions have said 'all or none'
1. The arbitration is extended another two weeks. The arbiter needs to feel convinced that there is a possibility to reach an agreement but does not need to submit any arguments as why she feels that is possible
2. Heading in to strike and subsequently lockout The strike can start 5 days after the end of the arbitration period, and if I remember correctly, the lockout is announced to hit two days after that There will be no negotiations in the 5 period
Initially I felt reasonably convinced there would be no strike, now I am more doubtful on that view. I think we may get another extension, as out of the three areas (state, regional and local) only one seems difficult at the moment. But let's see. Challenging that the unions have said 'all or none'
Apr 14, 2018, 3:29 pm
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There is no clear picture. As the potential impact is not coming from a group of employees directly related to air travel. The main point seems to be that the meteorological agency will go on strike, which could have an influence on weather information submitted to the airport and to airlines.
Apr 14, 2018, 4:57 pm
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There is no clear picture. As the potential impact is not coming from a group of employees directly related to air travel. The main point seems to be that the meteorological agency will go on strike, which could have an influence on weather information submitted to the airport and to airlines.
Apr 14, 2018, 5:08 pm
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Even though it was mentioned earlier that it could be possible to get weather information from two nearby airports in Sweden and Germany, would this comply with airlines' and pilot unions' policies about this sort of situation? Do they even have policies for such a specific set of circumstances?
One point what will this truly mean for airport operations. No one has made a clear point about that.
Second point, part of the meteorological agency are very likely employees who are employed in a way where they can't strike or be lockout'ed, meaning certain areas are selected to be affected Will that include areas affecting air traffic?
Only time will tell I guess.
Apr 14, 2018, 5:15 pm
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One additional point that could also affect the airport, the police will be partially on strike. Meaning passport control resources will then be reduced. Which could lead to increased waiting time for Schengen <=> non Schengen passengers..
Passport control in Denmark is always done by the police.
Passport control in Denmark is always done by the police.
Apr 15, 2018, 4:40 am
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I'm due to fly AAR-CPH-MAN on the 29th, and LHR-CPH on the 5th... any idea SAS policy for rebooking in such a situation? I can make the drive to Hamburg and fly someone else if necessary. But l absolutely need to be in England that Monday.
Apr 15, 2018, 5:24 am
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Apr 15, 2018, 7:02 am
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Easy now.
While a conflict is very likely the direct impact on air travel is most likely very limitted.
Weather reports can and will be taken from e.g Swedish services (according to CPH).
Traffic controllers. Max 100 out of 650 traffic controllers can be affectef = relative minimal effect. E.g. flyovers can be handled by Eurocontrol
Passport control. Potential longer lines - but no shut down of course.
Trains to/from airport will not run however. BUT the Metro will continue to be in operation.
I have multiple trips in the comming weeks and i expect no/minimal issues. There is no indications what so ever for this - unless we want to go tabloid hysteria mode.
While a conflict is very likely the direct impact on air travel is most likely very limitted.
Weather reports can and will be taken from e.g Swedish services (according to CPH).
Traffic controllers. Max 100 out of 650 traffic controllers can be affectef = relative minimal effect. E.g. flyovers can be handled by Eurocontrol
Passport control. Potential longer lines - but no shut down of course.
Trains to/from airport will not run however. BUT the Metro will continue to be in operation.
I have multiple trips in the comming weeks and i expect no/minimal issues. There is no indications what so ever for this - unless we want to go tabloid hysteria mode.
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Apr 15, 2018, 7:21 am
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Easy now.
While a conflict is very likely the direct impact on air travel is most likely very limitted.
Weather reports can and will be taken from e.g Swedish services (according to CPH).
Traffic controllers. Max 100 out of 650 traffic controllers can be affectef = relative minimal effect. E.g. flyovers can be handled by Eurocontrol
Passport control. Potential longer lines - but no shut down of course.
Trains to/from airport will not run however.
I have multiple trips in the comming weeks and i expect no/minimal issues. There is no indicationd what so ever for this - unless we want to go tabloid hysteris mode.
While a conflict is very likely the direct impact on air travel is most likely very limitted.
Weather reports can and will be taken from e.g Swedish services (according to CPH).
Traffic controllers. Max 100 out of 650 traffic controllers can be affectef = relative minimal effect. E.g. flyovers can be handled by Eurocontrol
Passport control. Potential longer lines - but no shut down of course.
Trains to/from airport will not run however.
I have multiple trips in the comming weeks and i expect no/minimal issues. There is no indicationd what so ever for this - unless we want to go tabloid hysteris mode.
Last edited by CPH-Flyer; Apr 15, 2018 at 9:10 am
Apr 16, 2018, 4:17 am
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If absolutely necessary, I would probably book a back up ticket from Hamburg that's refundable. Better safe than sorry.. . And there may quickly be a run on the tickets if the strike starts
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Apr 16, 2018, 4:50 am
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The union side is split in to LO and FTF, about 50/50 split. The LO side is now recommending the arbitration to be extended for another two weeks.
If that is followed up from the other side of the unions as well, who are now discussing their position, I believe another extention is highly likely
If that is followed up from the other side of the unions as well, who are now discussing their position, I believe another extention is highly likely