Danish cabin crew strikes
Feb 28, 2015, 2:23 am
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Danish cabin crew strikes
Just flew ORD-ARN and heard in the lounge that the evening ORD-CPH flight was cancelled. While sas.se is down (again
), I see that flysas.com has a warning that traffic delays are due to a wildcat strike amongst the Danish cabin crew. Anyone know what the fuss is about?
), I see that flysas.com has a warning that traffic delays are due to a wildcat strike amongst the Danish cabin crew. Anyone know what the fuss is about?
Feb 28, 2015, 2:36 am
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The transfer of the CRJ900 and crew from mainline to the old Cimber AOC that SK acquired with the remains of Cimber.
Feb 28, 2015, 2:42 am
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It seems that the Austrian scenario is being realized. In general, if the management succeeds this likely means good things for us. I see it as the right movement on the way out of pre-bankruptcy state.
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
Feb 28, 2015, 2:42 am
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SAS has taken over Cimber Air which has a more modern work agreement with the union. SAS plans to transfer some cabin crew to the Cimber division and thus agreement, which sparks strikes.
In the end, the move will happen anyway and such moves will keep happening until cabin crew work at market rates. Being a stewardesse should never be a DKK 35,000/month kind of job.
In the end, the move will happen anyway and such moves will keep happening until cabin crew work at market rates. Being a stewardesse should never be a DKK 35,000/month kind of job.
Feb 28, 2015, 2:45 am
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It seems that the Austrian scenario is being realized. In general, if the management succeeds this likely means good things for us. I see it as the right movement on the way out of pre-bankruptcy state.
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
Feb 28, 2015, 3:08 am
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It seems that the Austrian scenario is being realized. In general, if the management succeeds this likely means good things for us. I see it as the right movement on the way out of pre-bankruptcy state.
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
(although since I am most often on CRJ routes, I am worried whether the service won't become worse if they now become a Cimber service).
Should all EU (and US for that matter) airlines end up with salaries like what they are in the far east to stay competitive? I think I can sympathize with their fight for decent work conditions. This is a major battle in the globalized world where you see the price of globalization. It needs to be dealt with on a WTO or government scale. The cabin crew are fighting a valiant battle in my view.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:22 am
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Where is the limit for how low salaries should go? Ryanair standards? DY is opening Longhaul routes ex-EU using the Irish loophole to hire in non-EU staff.
Should all EU (and US for that matter) airlines end up with salaries like what they are in the far east to stay competitive? I think I can sympathize with their fight for decent work conditions. This is a major battle in the globalized world where you see the price of globalization. It needs to be dealt with on a WTO or government scale. The cabin crew are fighting a valiant battle in my view.
Should all EU (and US for that matter) airlines end up with salaries like what they are in the far east to stay competitive? I think I can sympathize with their fight for decent work conditions. This is a major battle in the globalized world where you see the price of globalization. It needs to be dealt with on a WTO or government scale. The cabin crew are fighting a valiant battle in my view.
To make a practical example; salaries should be around DKK 20,000/month for a FA that flies around 120 hours a month (160,33 being the Danish full-time norm, but their job includes some wasteful time as well). 120 hours is far above what they fly today - with salaries pushing above the outrageous 40,000 limit when you add the little things on top of their salaries.
It's a low-skill and attractive job (a rather rare combination) and the salaries will (or: should) reflect that. If they all quit, I can guarantee you that we'd have no problem hiring an entirely new roster (on new conditions; 20,000/month with 120 flying hours) within a few weeks.
The limit is, of course, what the market will clear. These union agreements are just delaying the inevitable while they're increasing the risk there won't be a SAS to work for at all. Not that I expect anyone but a few fellow businesspeople to actually understand this.
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Feb 28, 2015, 3:35 am
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Sure about the 40k?
Then I'm sure I am underpayed in relation to that... Comparing my working hours, responsibilities and years of university education as well as professional experience I guess my salary should by at least three times higher than it is if I see such wages
If that is true I can imagine why SK has a real issue keeping competitive pricing.
Then I'm sure I am underpayed in relation to that... Comparing my working hours, responsibilities and years of university education as well as professional experience I guess my salary should by at least three times higher than it is if I see such wages
If that is true I can imagine why SK has a real issue keeping competitive pricing.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:39 am
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To make a practical example; salaries should be around DKK 20,000/month for a FA that flies around 120 hours a month (160,33 being the Danish full-time norm, but their job includes some wasteful time as well). 120 hours is far above what they fly today - with salaries pushing above the outrageous 40,000 limit when you add the little things on top of their salaries.
It's a low-skill and attractive job (a rather rare combination) and the salaries will (or: should) reflect that. If they all quit, I can guarantee you that we'd have no problem hiring an entirely new roster (on new conditions; 20,000/month with 120 flying hours) within a few weeks.
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It's a low-skill and attractive job (a rather rare combination) and the salaries will (or: should) reflect that. If they all quit, I can guarantee you that we'd have no problem hiring an entirely new roster (on new conditions; 20,000/month with 120 flying hours) within a few weeks.
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An operator shall ensure that the total block times of the flights on which an individual crew member is assigned as an
operating crew member does not exceed
(a) 900 block hours in a calendar year;
(b) 100 block hours in any 28 consecutive days.
operating crew member does not exceed
(a) 900 block hours in a calendar year;
(b) 100 block hours in any 28 consecutive days.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:39 am
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Sure about the 40k?
Then I'm sure I am underpayed in relation to that... Comparing my working hours, responsibilities and years of university education as well as professional experience I guess my salary should by at least three times higher than it is if I see such wages
If that is true I can imagine why SK has a real issue keeping competitive pricing.
Then I'm sure I am underpayed in relation to that... Comparing my working hours, responsibilities and years of university education as well as professional experience I guess my salary should by at least three times higher than it is if I see such wages
If that is true I can imagine why SK has a real issue keeping competitive pricing.
CAU doesn't release the agreements, but for a while the .docx document was to find on Google anyway (it might still be - but the HK agreement isn't what's covering the FAs). I knew this before, however, due to work projects where the CAU agreement was a reference case.
Feb 28, 2015, 4:30 am
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35000 dkk a month, reported above is what a young professor at a university gets in Denmark with a guarantee of employment for 3 years only. He is just after an extremely competitive fight for this position (only few % succeed) and he is up for an even more competitive fight in 3 years to survive. I fail to see how it is fair to pay the same to a waiter with a bit of security training.
Feb 28, 2015, 7:36 am
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35000 dkk a month, reported above is what a young professor at a university gets in Denmark with a guarantee of employment for 3 years only. He is just after an extremely competitive fight for this position (only few % succeed) and he is up for an even more competitive fight in 3 years to survive. I fail to see how it is fair to pay the same to a waiter with a bit of security training.
Quite a bit above what you quote. You can add pension and other benefits to the the yearly salaries stated.
Feb 28, 2015, 8:10 am
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Sorry, I can't believe that...
According to SK the starting salary for pilots are:
DKK: 27 730
SEK: 28 395
NOK: 29 940
Didn't find official numbers for FAs but a couple of average reports on cabin crew salaries at SK show up with up to 150DKK/hour so we are talking about perhaps 25k DKK. Probably there are some long haul pursers which earn 40k but I would guess the large majority don't make much money.
Or another quick googling turned out: "Compententive salary after test period (6months) 19.223,- Kroner (aprox 2600 Eur / 3750 Usd. 150 hours per month (130 kroner/hour, 25 usd/hour)" (from http://www.gayviator.com/forum/index.php?topic=2300.0, hmmm gayviator? Anyway...)
Reminds me about the reports in Germany that a LH Pilot earns 250k a year... while the pilots i know just can wonder who came up with those numbers as they earn less than half of it - even as long haul crew
According to SK the starting salary for pilots are:
DKK: 27 730
SEK: 28 395
NOK: 29 940
Didn't find official numbers for FAs but a couple of average reports on cabin crew salaries at SK show up with up to 150DKK/hour so we are talking about perhaps 25k DKK. Probably there are some long haul pursers which earn 40k but I would guess the large majority don't make much money.
Or another quick googling turned out: "Compententive salary after test period (6months) 19.223,- Kroner (aprox 2600 Eur / 3750 Usd. 150 hours per month (130 kroner/hour, 25 usd/hour)" (from http://www.gayviator.com/forum/index.php?topic=2300.0, hmmm gayviator? Anyway...)
Reminds me about the reports in Germany that a LH Pilot earns 250k a year... while the pilots i know just can wonder who came up with those numbers as they earn less than half of it - even as long haul crew
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Feb 28, 2015, 8:18 am
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Not that I agree on the comparison, but here are the university salaries in Copenhagen in 2010: http://universitetsavisen.dk/politik/lonstatistik
Quite a bit above what you quote. You can add pension and other benefits to the the yearly salaries stated.
Quite a bit above what you quote. You can add pension and other benefits to the the yearly salaries stated.
Feb 28, 2015, 8:51 am
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So now both DY and SK are on strike. Any chance that we can still be reached in Scandinavia? 
Does anyone know how long this strike will last?
If some of the salaries mentioned here are somehow correct then I'll need to talk with my boss on Monday and demand my salary to be doubled at least. Quadrupled would even be better.
Anyway, pilot salaries of below 30000 NOK per month seem a bit little.
Does anyone know how long this strike will last?
If some of the salaries mentioned here are somehow correct then I'll need to talk with my boss on Monday and demand my salary to be doubled at least. Quadrupled would even be better.
Anyway, pilot salaries of below 30000 NOK per month seem a bit little.