New longhaul aircraft and cabins from 2015 / 2018
May 30, 2014, 6:06 am
#106
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Why obvious? For personal reasons, I'd rather have Orlando than Miami, but I don't think either one is likely due to being primarily leisure routes.
Of the two, I agree that Miami is probably the one that makes more sense due to connections to the Caribbean and South America.
Of the two, I agree that Miami is probably the one that makes more sense due to connections to the Caribbean and South America.
May 30, 2014, 9:54 am
#108
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But if SAS sees demand for additional longhaul service the plan can easily be adjusted by holding on to some A340s for a little while longer since the lease rates are very low...
May 30, 2014, 12:31 pm
#109
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YYZ would be nice. There is even no codeshare on AC these days, it seems. I also thought that Toronto is already covered, but recently I noticed that LO has two departures daily to YYZ. This is showing quite some potential, given the still relatively small flying market from WAW, comparing to CPH.
May 30, 2014, 1:27 pm
#110
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Why obvious? For personal reasons, I'd rather have Orlando than Miami, but I don't think either one is likely due to being primarily leisure routes.
Of the two, I agree that Miami is probably the one that makes more sense due to connections to the Caribbean and South America.
Of the two, I agree that Miami is probably the one that makes more sense due to connections to the Caribbean and South America.
There is a codeshare with AA from ORD already, no reason not to extend that from MIA. Heck, it could even provide better connections to some locations in the US. And MIA-MCO only being a 35 minute flight it doesn't make sense to pick MIA as it has better connections.
YYZ would be nice. There is even no codeshare on AC these days, it seems. I also thought that Toronto is already covered, but recently I noticed that LO has two departures daily to YYZ. This is showing quite some potential, given the still relatively small flying market from WAW, comparing to CPH.
Last edited by FlyingMoose; May 30, 2014 at 1:35 pm
May 30, 2014, 3:44 pm
#111
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I actually like the AC service. But as demonstrated many times on this board I have low requirements apparently 
Wouldn't mind another departure time and some price competition with SK though 
Wouldn't mind another departure time and some price competition with SK though
May 31, 2014, 12:37 am
#112
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LO to YYZ is based on ethnical traffic, there are well over a million poles living in Canada. C-class on these flights is quite cheap and front cabin is typically 50-60% full. There are plenty of flights to YYZ from all over, if they thinking about Canada I would rather look at YUL
May 31, 2014, 6:06 pm
#113
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Miami is an obvious point for SAS to expand to because, quite simply, the market is very large.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
May 31, 2014, 6:22 pm
#114
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LO goes where the Polish VFR traffic is when it comes to TATL long-haul service. YYZ, ORD and NYC is about all the North American service that would make sense for them.
I use the AC service for travel connecting the US with CPH, but that is mostly because award availability tends to be better than availability using miles for SK, UA or DL's TATL Scandinavian flights.
For Scandinavians, South Florida is mostly just a leisure destination, and even the less discretionary VFR traffic between the two areas tends to be thin compared to NY or California traffic. Business travel demand between Scandinavia and South Florida? Not very strong. MIA airport has a very bad reputation for slow handling of international arrivals and it's made the news a fair amount of times in Sweden at least.
I really can't see SAS adding more than a seasonal flight to MIA, probably not even a daily during the winter months. With DY's service to FL in play, SAS would struggle to have a huge success on Scandinavia-Miami service. Could cargo make the difference for SK on such a route? I doubt it.
I use the AC service for travel connecting the US with CPH, but that is mostly because award availability tends to be better than availability using miles for SK, UA or DL's TATL Scandinavian flights.
Miami is an obvious point for SAS to expand to because, quite simply, the market is very large.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
I really can't see SAS adding more than a seasonal flight to MIA, probably not even a daily during the winter months. With DY's service to FL in play, SAS would struggle to have a huge success on Scandinavia-Miami service. Could cargo make the difference for SK on such a route? I doubt it.
Last edited by GUWonder; May 31, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Jun 1, 2014, 4:38 am
#115
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Miami is an obvious point for SAS to expand to because, quite simply, the market is very large.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
Miami is Stockholm's second largest trans-Atlantic market after New York City. Same for Copenhagen, Oslo and Gothenburg. Norwegian, of course, caters to this market with non-stops from OSL, CPH and ARN to South Florida already.
That said, despite the huge market size, the yield isn't very strong.
Jun 13, 2014, 2:53 am
#117
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I tried the new seats (and Hästens bedding) and it's huge improvement from the current Business Class product. Massage and "firmness" settings and the private shelf below:
Jun 13, 2014, 4:48 am
#119
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Thompson Aero Seating
More facts here from Jacob:
http://www.businessclass.se/fully-fl...distansstolar/
Jacobs test here:
http://www.businessclass.se/business...inessclasstol/
(both in Swedish, sorry)
More facts here from Jacob:
http://www.businessclass.se/fully-fl...distansstolar/
Jacobs test here:
http://www.businessclass.se/business...inessclasstol/
(both in Swedish, sorry)
