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Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 26182279)
They do, but only after 9pm weekdays or on weekends on the Pittsburg/Bay Point line (yellow). The Richmond/Daly City (red) line doesn't, ever. Why, I don't know, but I'm willing to bet someone here does...
Originally Posted by Javelin
(Post 26187230)
[*]Milbrae is a future high speed rail station on the CA high speed rail project. It would be inconceivable that the shiny new $68 billion train will drop you off at Millbrae and then require two BART segments to get to SFO, so hopefully this will be fixed soon, especially with the strong possibility that CAHSRA will build the SF-Bakersfield segment first now.[/LIST]
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Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 26191319)
Broadly speaking, sure, but even considering only northbound trains there are 3-4 arrivals per hour at Millbrae during commute hours.
Of course I am viewing this selfishly because I live on the peninsula :) but it'd be nice if the connection were less awkward. Anyway given all the parameters it seems like a dedicated shuttle or spur line would make more sense.
Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 26191710)
I don't think HSR is really designed for airport traffic. I think it's intended to avoid the need for intrastate flights, not to help people get to the airport. However, it may help people avoid short flights, for example someone in the Central Valley could take the train to SFO instead of flying FAT-SFO.
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I thought the short service that used to run just between Millbrae and SFO was terminated because union work rules just made it too inefficient to operate. I did some searching around and came across these comments from a 2011 blog:
Another work rule that is likely common (I know it is for all Bay Area systems), is the rule for a break at the end of each transit "run" rather than based on an amount of time. This creates an incentive for transit agencies to schedule ridiculously long routes more likely to suffer from bunching and delays, and also makes it much more expensive to utilize short runs along busy corridors during rush hours. This is largely the reason that there isn't service from Millbrae directly to SFO airport any longer on BART (it's two terminal stations, so for every seven minute run you'd have a fifteen minute required break), and part of the reason that SF Muni doesn't run as many peak hour short lines as it once did - during the short period when you absolutely want as many buses and trains running as possible, any short run equals more time that the buses are chilling while a driver is on a break, even a shorter run would be more efficient otherwise. |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 26192035)
I thought the short service that used to run just between Millbrae and SFO was terminated because union work rules just made it too inefficient to operate. I did some searching around and came across these comments from a 2011 blog:
http://marketurbanism.com/2011/05/15...-productivity/ BART did run a shuttle from SFO to Millbrae and found that only 150 people a day rode it. That's why it was killed. However, there are a few runs at off-peak times that use the train from Pittsburg to SFO as a shuttle. When the shuttle ran, union rules based on yard shifts were used. So, those operators didn't get a "bonus". |
Originally Posted by Javelin
(Post 26192285)
What I don't quite follow is why the Millbrae—SFO shuttle had to be a shuttle. Why couldn't they tack it onto the Pittsburg/BP—SFO line? The Richmond—Millbrae line can still skip SFO so Millbrae commuters wouldn't be affected. Is it lack of trains?
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