Please Critique My SFO Intinerary
#16
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
reservations open up exactly one month before and prime times are often gone. The e is a long communal table but waits there are often over an hour.
Overall the Tenderloin area is one to avoid as is "literally) 6th Street form Market on down. Other sketchy areas (Bayview, Hunters Point) aren't areas a tourist would likely go.
Tenderloin will show on any map of SF but generally it's north of Market from Mason to Leavenworth and Eddy to Sutter. The further north you go the better it gets.
Overall the Tenderloin area is one to avoid as is "literally) 6th Street form Market on down. Other sketchy areas (Bayview, Hunters Point) aren't areas a tourist would likely go.
Tenderloin will show on any map of SF but generally it's north of Market from Mason to Leavenworth and Eddy to Sutter. The further north you go the better it gets.
#17
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
OP, here are maps of the Tenderloin and the Bayview (I would include the whole area south of 280 and east of 101). Agree with squeakr, the Bayview/Hunters Point area is pretty far out of the way for tourists.
I forget the exact statistic that came out recently, but something like 75% of all robberies in SF involve taking a cell phone, iPod, etc... so keep it in your pocket while on the street, and that includes headphones/earbuds.
I think a bridge closure is unlikely now that the new Bay Bridge is open, but Caltrans will be shutting down the NB 280 extension over Labor Day to complete the work that they're starting this weekend.
I forget the exact statistic that came out recently, but something like 75% of all robberies in SF involve taking a cell phone, iPod, etc... so keep it in your pocket while on the street, and that includes headphones/earbuds.
I think a bridge closure is unlikely now that the new Bay Bridge is open, but Caltrans will be shutting down the NB 280 extension over Labor Day to complete the work that they're starting this weekend.
#18
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: ZOA, SFO, HKG
Programs: UA 1K 0.9MM, Marriott Gold, HHonors Gold, Hertz PC, SBux Gold, TSA Pre✓
Posts: 13,811
For Turtle Tower, my only recommendation - walk faster.
For Brenda's French Soulfood, Polk Street is fine, but be alert still.
FWIW - that area is already heavily patrolled by multiple law enforcement agencies, including:
1. SFPD;
2. SFSD (City Hall);
3. UC Police (UC Hasting);
4. CHP (State Building/CA Court of Appeal/CA Supreme Court)
5. U.S. Marshals (Federal District Court)
6. Federal Protective Service (Federal Building)
This does not include any non-patrolling law enforcement agencies in the area, such as FBI, DEA, etc. (Please don't ask me why that area is still ghetto despite the tons of law enforcement in the area )
#19
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
That area is borderline - between Good and Evil
For Turtle Tower, my only recommendation - walk faster.
For Brenda's French Soulfood, Polk Street is fine, but be alert still.
FWIW - that area is already heavily patrolled by multiple law enforcement agencies, including:
1. SFPD;
2. SFSD (City Hall);
3. UC Police (UC Hasting);
4. CHP (State Building/CA Court of Appeal/CA Supreme Court)
5. U.S. Marshals (Federal District Court)
6. Federal Protective Service (Federal Building)
This does not include any non-patrolling law enforcement agencies in the area, such as FBI, DEA, etc. (Please don't ask me why that area is still ghetto despite the tons of law enforcement in the area )
For Turtle Tower, my only recommendation - walk faster.
For Brenda's French Soulfood, Polk Street is fine, but be alert still.
FWIW - that area is already heavily patrolled by multiple law enforcement agencies, including:
1. SFPD;
2. SFSD (City Hall);
3. UC Police (UC Hasting);
4. CHP (State Building/CA Court of Appeal/CA Supreme Court)
5. U.S. Marshals (Federal District Court)
6. Federal Protective Service (Federal Building)
This does not include any non-patrolling law enforcement agencies in the area, such as FBI, DEA, etc. (Please don't ask me why that area is still ghetto despite the tons of law enforcement in the area )
#20
Moderator: Chase Ultimate Rewards
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 2P, MR LT Plat, IHG Plat, BW Dia, HH Au, Avis PC
Posts: 5,453
Respecting that you seem to be the kind of traveler who makes detailed plans, here are my guesses at your highest risks:
SFO will have two runways closed thru September. There's a good chance your flight will be delayed. Long wait between trains. So late lunch could easily turn into early dinner.
Book your tour as soon as you're certain on timing. They fill up fast, since there is only one company that actually stops on the island.
This Avis location specializes in fleecing tourists. I've personally watched them spend 20+ minutes attempting to sell every option imaginable to unwitting Swedes. But that actually may have been just a stall tactic, as they had no cars available anyway and people were left waiting until someone returned a car. Since most people are looking for large vehicles, the smaller your reserved car type, the shorter the wait. Also, definitely sign up for Avis Preferred if you don't have it, since they have an express line.
The Bay Bridge on a Monday later than around 3pm is miserable, in either direction. You've probably allocated enough time but don't underestimate the miserableness. Have you considered spending this evening in Berkeley rather than later in the trip? You can find noteworthy eating places as easily there and miss the worst of the traffic. Later in the trip you can visit Oakland during the day, when it's safest, rather than trying to see both Berkeley and Oakland in the same day.
If you're going to keep the car overnight at all, pre-plan where you'll park it. Think about using http://sanfrancisco.bestparking.com/ with your specific times and the address of the hotel. The best option will probably be the Ellis & O'Farrell garage near O'Farrell and Powell.
If you really want to do this, go as early as you can. The lines start around 9am and get very long. (It's really a tourist trap and it's $6 each way unless you look into a multi-day pass.)
This section of timing is probably too aggressive. Is there something in particular about Ghirardeli Square that interests you? It's mostly just an upscale outdoor shopping mall at this point. Also what's the transit plan? Golden Gate Bridge is hard to get to (taxi? uber?)
As much as I hate to say it, this map seems pretty accurate: http://www.yelp.com/wordmap/sf/sketchy
If you really want to go to Dottie's, the F streetcar is a much better option than walking along Market Street.
Alcatraz Tour 5:20pm 8:45pm
Monday Sept 1
Leave to Pick-up Rental from Avis 675 Post St 8:00am
Leave to Pick-up Rental from Avis 675 Post St 8:00am
Drive to San Francisco 2:25pm 4:45pm
Return Rental Car to Avis 675 Post St 8:00am
Ride Powell St Cable Car up to Hyde & Lombard 10:42am 11:00am
Take Pics at Lombard St switch-back 11:05am 11:20am
Fisherman's Wharf 11:20am 11:30am
Take pics of the Bay between pier 43 & 45 11:32am 11:40am
Walk to Ghirardeli Square 11:40am 12:00pm
Walk around Ghirardeli 12:03pm 12:13pm
Fisherman's Wharf 11:20am 11:30am
Take pics of the Bay between pier 43 & 45 11:32am 11:40am
Walk to Ghirardeli Square 11:40am 12:00pm
Walk around Ghirardeli 12:03pm 12:13pm
If you really want to go to Dottie's, the F streetcar is a much better option than walking along Market Street.
#21
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
Respecting that you seem to be the kind of traveler who makes detailed plans, here are my guesses at your highest risks:
SFO will have two runways closed thru September. There's a good chance your flight will be delayed. Long wait between trains. So late lunch could easily turn into early dinner.
SFO will have two runways closed thru September. There's a good chance your flight will be delayed. Long wait between trains. So late lunch could easily turn into early dinner.
I'm flying tpa>dfw>sfo AA due for arrival at 10:25am and she's UA jax>iah>sfo due for arrival at 11:34am. Even if she is delayed by an hour or so i built in enough of a cushion to account for the delay; i hope!
This Avis location specializes in fleecing tourists. I've personally watched them spend 20+ minutes attempting to sell every option imaginable to unwitting Swedes. But that actually may have been just a stall tactic, as they had no cars available anyway and people were left waiting until someone returned a car. Since most people are looking for large vehicles, the smaller your reserved car type, the shorter the wait. Also, definitely sign up for Avis Preferred if you don't have it, since they have an express line.
If you're going to keep the car overnight at all, pre-plan where you'll park it. Think about using http://sanfrancisco.bestparking.com/ with your specific times and the address of the hotel. The best option will probably be the Ellis & O'Farrell garage near O'Farrell and Powell.
As far as starting early on the cable car, I'm all about leaving early but she likes to sleep late while I like to wake up at 5:30am. I will make every effort to get her to leave earlier. But it is my preference to do it early.
This section of timing is probably too aggressive. Is there something in particular about Ghirardeli Square that interests you? It's mostly just an upscale outdoor shopping mall at this point. Also what's the transit plan? Golden Gate Bridge is hard to get to (taxi? uber?)
As much as I hate to say it, this map seems pretty accurate: http://www.yelp.com/wordmap/sf/sketchy
If you really want to go to Dottie's, the F streetcar is a much better option than walking along Market Street.
If you really want to go to Dottie's, the F streetcar is a much better option than walking along Market Street.
Last edited by Playboy; May 24, 2014 at 9:34 am
#22
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
Uber, Lyft or Taxis?
So which is preferred as a non-public transportation method of getting around: Uber, Lyft or taxis? A couple of you mentioned Uber but I keep reading about the inconsistency in their pricing policy.
#24
Moderator: Chase Ultimate Rewards
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 2P, MR LT Plat, IHG Plat, BW Dia, HH Au, Avis PC
Posts: 5,453
We've budgeted $63, per the hotel's website to park in the hotel's garage.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm planning to order the 7-day $29 Clipper Card online a couple of weeks prior to the trip. It'll allow us unlimited rides on all forms of Muni transport and per my budget I'll add $26.35 to the card for the BART rides when I purchase online.
Um, nothing in particular about Ghirardeli; i just thought that it would be a nice pass-thru on our way to Blue Barn for lunch which is on our way to Golden Gate. We were going to take the Muni 28 and get off 3 stops later at GG at the GG pavilion.
The inconsistency is during a period of high demand - there is a multiplier of the price based on actual availability and demand, but the app will tell you the multiplier before you confirm the ride. It's usually not that much - 1.5x or 2x. Note that the base rate for UberX (which would be comparable to Lyft) is cheaper than a Taxi in SF.
#25
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 6,445
FWIW, I slightly disagree about avoiding Dottie's because of the neighborhood. IMO, it's not much "worse" then the area surrounding Brenda's. And given how popular it is, and the fact that you'd be going there in the day, I think you'd be fine.
I personally have never had any issues walking through those areas, but I am 6'2" and 240#. I also have lived here for 7 years, so I understand your comfort level may differ.
Also, just a tip regarding cable car. If line is too long at the turn around, head two blocks up to the next stop right outside the H&M. You almost always can get right on (unless you have a strong desire to sit outside/stand on the platforms).
I personally have never had any issues walking through those areas, but I am 6'2" and 240#. I also have lived here for 7 years, so I understand your comfort level may differ.
Also, just a tip regarding cable car. If line is too long at the turn around, head two blocks up to the next stop right outside the H&M. You almost always can get right on (unless you have a strong desire to sit outside/stand on the platforms).
Last edited by StudentExplorer; May 24, 2014 at 11:24 am
#26
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: TPA
Posts: 282
I-280 or 101 Driving to Big Sur on Weekday Morning?
Re the trip to Big Sur on a Tuesday morning: If we leave somewhere between 7:30 & 8:30am would it be easier traffic wise to take 280 to 85 and connect into the 101 south of San Jose or take the 101 all the way through?
#27
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: PHX
Programs: AA Aluminum, WN B+
Posts: 929
I would take 280 to 85 to 101, or 280 to 17 to 1 depending on the traffic conditions on that day.
Last edited by Lost; May 25, 2014 at 2:07 pm
#28
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: CLE
Programs: UA Gold, HH Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 3,661
#29
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: San Francisco/Sydney
Programs: UA 1K/MM, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Something, IHG Gold, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 8,156
In this case, you'll see that anything between about 7:30am and 10am is a mess on 101. 280 is much better, although might still get some backup, especially on/around 85.
#30
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SJC/SFO
Programs: WN A+ CP, UA 1MM/*A Gold, Mar LT Tit, IHG Plat, HH Dia
Posts: 6,284
101 is slow-and-go in either direction at rush hour. On 280 traffic will be moving at 65+ much of the way. Driving south on 85 in the morning is reverse commute.