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ft101 Sep 8, 2017 10:03 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28792409)
But why would one assume that without paying for advanced seat selection, he will be seated together?

It's been a fair assumption for years, as until the recent changes it has been the norm that pax on the same booking were assigned seats together if available.

memesweeper Sep 13, 2017 1:45 pm

There are good safety reasons for not splitting up families . In the event of emergency they will try and ‘regroup’ before exiting, endangering themselves and others.

Like I needed another reason to avoid FR, they just handed me one.

OxfordBlue Sep 20, 2017 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by memesweeper (Post 28811992)
There are good safety reasons for not splitting up families . In the event of emergency they will try and ‘regroup’ before exiting, endangering themselves and others.

Like I needed another reason to avoid FR, they just handed me one.

... and that is why it's in the CAA Document CAP 789 - Requirements and Guidance Material for Operators - Chapter 30, Section 8.

Quoting this if you've been separated from your child [by refusing to pay the family tax] seems to concentrate the minds of checkin and gate staff.

It's not law, and they can't be prosecuted for it, but it would be grounds for complaint to the CAA... which even FR would rather avoid.

Ditto Sep 20, 2017 11:43 pm


Originally Posted by OxfordBlue (Post 28840128)
... and that is why it's in the CAA Document CAP 789 - Requirements and Guidance Material for Operators - Chapter 30, Section 8.

Quoting this if you've been separated from your child [by refusing to pay the family tax] seems to concentrate the minds of checkin and gate staff.

Separating an adult from a child is one thing (and even that is "allowed" according to the document you provided, up to one "seat row", whatever that means), but as a family often include 2 adults, there is nothing saying those adults should seat together, and if there are 2 or more kids, they can "safely" be separated into 2 smaller groups...

irishguy28 Sep 21, 2017 12:33 am


Originally Posted by OxfordBlue (Post 28840128)
Quoting this if you've been separated from your child [by refusing to pay the family tax] seems to concentrate the minds of checkin and gate staff.

It's not law, and they can't be prosecuted for it, but it would be grounds for complaint to the CAA... which even FR would rather avoid.

It might work if you're departing the UK. (Then again, it might not - many check-in staff won't even know what the CAA is. Even for those that do, they may be more worried about the sanctions they receive for not sticking to company policy*, than any potential rap-on-the-knuckles the airline might receive weeks, months or years down the line).

Won't help anywhere else!

*Ryanair policy is that adults travelling with children under 12 must purchase a reserved seat - for €4 - so that the child(ren) can receive an allocated seat beside that adult for free (up to 4 such free child seats per adult seating payment).

OxfordBlue Sep 21, 2017 3:24 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28840947)
Separating an adult from a child is one thing (and even that is "allowed" according to the document you provided, up to one "seat row", whatever that means), but as a family often include 2 adults, there is nothing saying those adults should seat together, and if there are 2 or more kids, they can "safely" be separated into 2 smaller groups...

Ditto, your interpretation IMO is absolutely correct - 2 adults and 2 kids can indeed be separated into 2 groups of 1AD+1CH. Like you, I think this is unfair, and believe the guidance should be stronger - families with children should be given seats in a single seat row without charge.

OxfordBlue Sep 21, 2017 3:30 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 28841044)
It might work if you're departing the UK. (Then again, it might not - many check-in staff won't even know what the CAA is. Even for those that do, they may be more worried about the sanctions they receive for not sticking to company policy*, than any potential rap-on-the-knuckles the airline might receive weeks, months or years down the line).

Won't help anywhere else!

*Ryanair policy is that adults travelling with children under 12 must purchase a reserved seat - for €4 - so that the child(ren) can receive an allocated seat beside that adult for free (up to 4 such free child seats per adult seating payment).

irishguy28, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's not a failsafe protection by any means, but I'm simply quoting it to demonstrate that there is some - albeit rather weak - regulatory guidance on this. I've seen anecdotal evidence of it being quoted by passengers separated from their children and it working; it's not a given, of course. If I were experiencing difficulty getting non-UK ground staff to understand, I'd probably state it rather more plainly and tell them "it's the law!" (not strictly true, but gets the message across)

Thanks for posting the link to the Ryanair policy - I wasn't aware of that one - but I suppose it's a fair compromise as they're only charging the adult a reduced seat selection fee and then guaranteeing that they can sit with their kids.

eshroom Jan 12, 2018 6:37 am

I fly regularly with Ryanair as they offer the best timing for my most frequently visited destinations and I am conveniently located for Stansted.

As of this year I have switched so as long as price difference is not more than £20-£30 I will book another airline (as long as timing is not too dissimilar). This has reduced the number of Ryanair flights I take by half. This makes me very happy - worth it just so I don’t have to listen to that trumpet.

the main reason I switched is their seating policy. I have realised the following, which I hope some of you find useful.

if you are travelling with a companion you stand a much higher chance of getting allocated 2 middle seats with space next to you for one companion to pay and move so you can sit with each other. If travelling solo you are much more likely to get aisle or or window so as to keep pairs of side-by-side seats open and available for when they split groups up.

This won’t always work and if there are stray middle seats there’s a good chance you’ll be allocated it as a solo traveller.

As a result, if I am travelling with someone we always make separate reservations now. Like this you don’t end up next to each other but usually close and with a much better seat to potential swap someone (if that’s important to you).

The flip side of a single booking is you usually only have to pay for one seat in order for 2 people to sit together. Just buy the seat after checkin.

justin1123 Feb 13, 2020 8:03 am

Changing seat afetr check in with Ryanair
 
Quick question. Can I pay to change seat afer doing online check in? I know you can with some airlines, but not sure about Ryanair. So see what I get randomly, and then pay to change later?

etiene Feb 13, 2020 8:31 am


Originally Posted by justin1123 (Post 32067160)
Quick question. Can I pay to change seat afer doing online check in? I know you can with some airlines, but not sure about Ryanair. So see what I get randomly, and then pay to change later?

Nope

fartoomanyusers Feb 13, 2020 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by justin1123 (Post 32067160)
Quick question. Can I pay to change seat afer doing online check in? I know you can with some airlines, but not sure about Ryanair. So see what I get randomly, and then pay to change later?

you can definitely change seat during the check in process - so if you initially try "random" - and don't like what you get given, they will encourage you to hand over money for a better seat !

i can't remember if you can go back again after you've completed checkin.

James91 Feb 16, 2020 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by justin1123 (Post 32067160)
Quick question. Can I pay to change seat afer doing online check in? I know you can with some airlines, but not sure about Ryanair. So see what I get randomly, and then pay to change later?


Originally Posted by etiene (Post 32067272)
Nope

Wrong, I literally did this on Saturday. Got assigned a garbage middle seat even though my flight was at best 50% full, and paid to change it. Prices didn't increase either from before so it's worth selecting random first and seeing what you get.

irishguy28 Feb 19, 2020 6:06 am

The idea that Ryanair would deny you the opportunity to pay them an extra fee is laughable :D :D :D


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