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kenny23692 Apr 12, 2009 9:36 am

blacks in Russia
 
So my trip to Russia is in 2weeks, in which I'll be staying with a friend. My friend claims that racism in Moscow isnt bad and theres nothing I should worry about. But I've ran across several reports where it states otherwise. So my question is, how are blacks treated in Moscow?

paulmoscow Apr 12, 2009 10:54 am


Originally Posted by kenny23692 (Post 11568359)
how are blacks treated in Moscow?

With a common sense approach you'll be safe. While black people are definitely a minority here, I don't think you'll see aggression.

Palal Apr 12, 2009 11:25 am

Just act like you would in any large city and be street aware. I wouldn't be surprised if you got some stares, because blacks are still rare in Russia, although the stares will probably come not from Muscovites but from visitors to Moscow.

Keep your passport on you at all times. I've heard accounts of cops harassing blacks from African countries studying here. I think an American passport will be enough of a deterrent for cops to not give you problems.

Also, avoid skinheads.... cops don't deal with them either.

I think you will be safe if you use your streetsmarts. Let us know how it goes.

chanp Apr 13, 2009 2:58 pm

I think you will be fine. I actually saw a few on the streets and in my hotel.

kenny23692 Apr 13, 2009 5:27 pm


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 11568771)
Just act like you would in any large city and be street aware. I wouldn't be surprised if you got some stares, because blacks are still rare in Russia, although the stares will probably come not from Muscovites but from visitors to Moscow.

Keep your passport on you at all times. I've heard accounts of cops harassing blacks from African countries studying here. I think an American passport will be enough of a deterrent for cops to not give you problems.

Also, avoid skinheads.... cops don't deal with them either.

I think you will be safe if you use your streetsmarts. Let us know how it goes.

Ya I'll try to avoid them but doesnt mean they'll avoid me. I know May 1 is a holiday there and my friend wants to go out so I'll be tough trying to watch everything. I'll try to blend in lol....... I've read of stories where cops harass africans in such for documents, but the first thing imma do is register myself.


Originally Posted by chanp (Post 11574890)
I think you will be fine. I actually saw a few on the streets and in my hotel.

haha cool. Good news for me!

paulmoscow Apr 13, 2009 11:43 pm


Originally Posted by chanp (Post 11574890)
I actually saw a few on the streets and in my hotel.

You can find a lot of these African students in underpasses giving leaflets out.

YVR Cockroach Apr 13, 2009 11:56 pm

Keep clear of skinhead types who frequently also happen to be neo-Nazis.

kenny23692 Apr 14, 2009 5:57 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 11577357)
Keep clear of skinhead types who frequently also happen to be neo-Nazis.

Is there an area specifically I should stay away from?

Xyzzy Apr 14, 2009 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 11568771)
Keep your passport on you at all times.

This is good advice. If you do not bring your passport, at least bring a copy of the main page and a copy of your visa. I've seen police harassing select groups of people who were "not Russian" at metro stops on numerous occasions. While I believe it is now not legal for them to ask you for your documents, that does not mean they will not attempt to do so.

kenny23692 Apr 14, 2009 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by xyzzy (Post 11581249)
This is good advice. If you do not bring your passport, at least bring a copy of the main page and a copy of your visa. I've seen police harassing select groups of people who were "not Russian" at metro stops on numerous occasions. While I believe it is now not legal for them to ask you for your documents, that does not mean they will attempt to do so.

Ya I'm gonna copy my passport / visa because i really dont want to lose that in moscow.

chalf Apr 17, 2009 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by kenny23692 (Post 11568359)
So my trip to Russia is in 2weeks, in which I'll be staying with a friend. My friend claims that racism in Moscow isnt bad and theres nothing I should worry about. But I've ran across several reports where it states otherwise. So my question is, how are blacks treated in Moscow?

Be careful, carry your passport, and avoid the police. This advice does not only apply to those from racial/ethnic minorities, but it is sadly more important as one is more visually distinctive from the majority. This is particularly the case if you are in Moscow around the May holidays, when there will a significantly increased security presence. I would be surprised if there were overt harassment, but even as an American I would expect that, given the chance, your documents will receive significantly greater scrutiny for any potential problems. Contrary to the usual advice to tourists, if you look more American I would expect fewer problems.

mosburger Apr 18, 2009 1:01 am

Everyone who looks Asian, African or coming from the Caucasus or Stans will get extra attention from the authorities. And sometimes from yobs.

Romelle Apr 18, 2009 11:00 am


Originally Posted by chalf (Post 11600175)
Contrary to the usual advice to tourists, if you look more American I would expect fewer problems.

Maybe a little definition on "look American"? My immediate stereotype image is big clumpy athletic shoes?

I know when I'm in Europe I work at "looking native", by watching the shoes I wear (better black leather ones usually) and keeping my camera put away. No polyester. Better slacks rather than jeans, nice scarf, etc.

I agree with the suggestion, but I'm not sure what a Russian would expect an American to look like?

Romelle

kenny23692 Apr 18, 2009 11:43 am


Originally Posted by mosburger (Post 11601548)
Everyone who looks Asian, African or coming from the Caucasus or Stans will get extra attention from the authorities. And sometimes from yobs.

yobs?

paulmoscow Apr 18, 2009 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by Romelle (Post 11603002)
but I'm not sure what a Russian would expect an American to look like?

Shorts when temperature is 40 Fahrenheit.


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