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Old Mar 12, 2022, 8:45 am
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“ Flying on Russian planes is about to get much more dangerous”

Russian airlines could run out of necessary parts within a matter of weeks, or fly planes without having equipment replaced as frequently as recommended to operate safely."The priority of the Russian government doesn't include consumer safety and reliability," said Charles Lichfield, the deputy director of GeoEconomics Center at the Atlantic Council, an international think tank.…

Planes could be seized


Some of the companies leasing planes to Russian carriers are Chinese, and China has yet to impose any sanctions of its own. But it is possible that even Chinese leasing companies could feel compelled to try to take possession of the Boeing and Airbus jets they have leased to Russian airlines, Aboulafia said. That's because those Chinese companies don't want to risk any trouble buying planes from Airbus or Boeing in the future.

"These are western jets. I'm not sure how Chinese firms will treat the sanctions," he said. "And the more important thing is these jets won't be supported with parts and maintenance any longer. It's a real issue if they lose their certificates of airworthiness, which can happen if proper records aren't kept, or especially if they're cannibalized for parts."
China has already indicated it won't ship parts for those planes to Russia, according to a report on Russian news agency TASS which quoted Valery Kudinov, head of the aircraft airworthiness department at the country's Federal Air Transport Agency.
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Old Mar 14, 2022, 3:44 pm
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law allowing Russian airlines to keep foreign aircraft for use on domestic flights, according to state news agency TASS.



Taking ownership of foreign aircraft will only have limited effect, though. Sanctions forbid maintenance, updates, support or the supply of spare parts for planes. Modern passenger jets require high levels of maintenance and flying them could pose risks to passengers.
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Old Mar 16, 2022, 2:19 pm
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Who is insuring those aircraft? Perhaps the government is immunizing Aeroflot against lawsuits in cash or accidents?
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Old Mar 18, 2022, 3:07 pm
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Taking ownership of the planes won't solve anything. SU won't ever be able to enter a leasing agreement again. Also, if SU ever were to fly one of the planes to the EU or the US, then I presume that the planes would be returned to the leasing companies (as SU ownership wouldn't be recognised in the EU/US), so SU can only fly the planes to certain countries.
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Old Mar 21, 2022, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
Who is insuring those aircraft? Perhaps the government is immunizing Aeroflot against lawsuits in cash or accidents?
This is a mess that most likely will indirectly fall back on russian tax payers

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so SU can only fly the planes to certain countries.
Yes , and there they will also need to be very careful , leasers can start legal action in SU destinations countries and have their planes and assets seized . I heard about 1 instance where podeba plane nearly got caught and in the end managed to escape
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Old Mar 21, 2022, 5:06 pm
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Yes , and there they will also need to be very careful , leasers can start legal action in SU destinations countries and have their planes and assets seized . I heard about 1 instance where podeba plane nearly got caught and in the end managed to escape
Sure. Any assets that SU has outside Russia could be seized. Planes owned by SU, money in bank accounts, anything. SU might have a local bank account at a destination for collecting money for tickets sold there and for paying local bills such as taxes and fees.

You could basically split the world into three parts. In one part of the world, SU is recognised as the owner of the plane, so SU can freely operate flights. If a leaser manages to seize a plane, the leaser can't fly the plane to this part of the world as the plane would be returned to SU. In the next part of the world, the leasers are recognised as the owners, so SU can't fly to this part of the world as the planes would be seized by the leasing companies. SU can't have other assets in this part of the world either. In the last part of the world, the legal status is unknown, meaning lengthy lawsuits if either SU or a leasing company lands a flight, and no one can use the plane while the lawsuit is ongoing.
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