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A Russian Metrojet (rebranded in 2012 from Kogalymavia and known as KolAvia) Airbus Industrie A321 EI-ETJ departing Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt, at 05:58 local time (03:58 GMT) Saturday, 31 Oct 2015 went down 22 minutes later in the Sinai desert en route to Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg. 217 passengers and 7 crew have been lost. A Russian commission is on its way; the "black box" has been recovered.Bodies are being recovered by the Egyptian authorities.
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Aviation Herald article on 7K 9268 (maps, photos)
BBC (updated) article on 7K 9268
Aviation Safety.net incident summary (link to IAE list of incidents involving same engine). (c/o TheTakeOffRush)
Impact on BA operations is being discussed here.
For those with sufficient posts to access Omni, off topic and political conjecture can be discussed here.
Metrojet 7K 9268 (RU) SSH-LED crashes in Sinai, EG (31 Oct 2015)
Nov 2, 2015, 1:11 pm
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This mentions (beside other things) the countries involved in formal investigation of the crash:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/wo...tion.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/wo...tion.html?_r=0
Nov 2, 2015, 1:25 pm
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But it wasn't at the time of the tailstrike: http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20011116-0. It was flying with a French registration then, although with Middle East Airways rather than a French operator. Egypt has not been a lucky country for that airframe 
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This is an interesting video, which seems to show aerial shots of most of the plane in one location and a few parts, such as a detached tail section, some distance away.
.This is an interesting video, which seems to show aerial shots of most of the plane in one location and a few parts, such as a detached tail section, some distance away.
Nov 2, 2015, 1:27 pm
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I think we shouldnt speculate in this thread though.. so I guess time will tell if it was mechanical tear&wear (even looong after that tail strike) or a bomb or something like that.. in ANY case its no good news at all.
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Nov 2, 2015, 2:41 pm
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The media is continuing to line up to say catastrophic failure of the rear pressure bulkhead.
Nov 2, 2015, 6:07 pm
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I think you rather over estimate the ability of bomb detection. All bags get x rayed but that it hardly fool proof. Even the TSA arguably one of the most cautious of Airport Security departments missed 95% of the tests placed on them and in Egypt is not beyond possibility that there are airport staff sympathetic to radical Islam (even if most Egyptians would abhor acts like this)
Nov 2, 2015, 7:18 pm
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That is an unusual debris field with the relatively pristine tail section. I wonder if the Israelis will provide through back channels radar information about the aircraft's final moments. I have to believe they watch the Sinai airspace intently.
Nov 2, 2015, 11:52 pm
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I came across this article that suggests a small bomb within the plane is the culprit:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-03/russian-airliner-crash-looks-like-an-explosion-military-analyst/6908220
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-03/russian-airliner-crash-looks-like-an-explosion-military-analyst/6908220
Nov 2, 2015, 11:54 pm
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There does seem to be a bit of a complacency that if the equipment and the manpower is there, that this is enough. Or, perhaps, I am too cynical and that profiling has been done at the meta level enough to explain a few of the comments made by posters above in Istanbul and Egypt. Here in Amman there is 'security' at the malls, but as soon as you enter and walk through the detector and it invariably squawks into life, you are waved through. My Jordanian friend is always stopped when alone, but when she is with me she is waved through. At the airport, I was pulled out of the queue and waved through the queue without being checked inbound at the airport (all other passengers searched). Furthermore the checkpoints near Irbid (and consequently Syria) were very basic. Perhaps I am too cynical and they know exactly what they are looking for.
Nut sure if I understood your post correctly but if you think that I was advocating profiling I am definitely not.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:07 am
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by overlaying the two debris fields shown in Russian satellite pictures that have been reported (eg, half way down this NY Daily News report onto a Google image of the area set to the same scale.
An then BBC included a similar diagram in one of their reports.
The flight path from bottom middle to top left of the montage can be seen in the BBC image, showing that the tail section (overlay bottom right in montage) came down a about a mile 'behind' the main fuselage (top left in montage) based on direction of travel.
Last edited by EsherFlyer; Nov 4, 2015 at 1:31 am Reason: Clarification of what is what. Hopefully.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:19 am
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No sorry I wasn't suggesting you did, I was suggesting that this happens, and that I've experienced this. I did not mean to suggest I agreed with it, nor you, but that the security situation in this neck of the woods is somewhat confusing to me. Terribly written post, sorry.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:34 am
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But with regards the aircraft, nothing come out so far which appears to rule out some kind of structural failure. I am not sure if that is better or worse for the relatives.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:39 am
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If its a structural failure, there isn't much good that comes out of that. If it turns out that it was a bomb, then there is a good chance Putin nukes ISIS out of the stratosphere which would be a good thing.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:43 am
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NBC quotes US officials having infrared satellite imagery about a 'heat flash' - indicating a bomb or fuel tank explosion, but ruling out a missile:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/rus...hed-no-n456161
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/rus...hed-no-n456161
Nov 3, 2015, 4:54 am
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I read that the tail strike repair was done by Airbus in Toulouse. The two Boeing structural failures were both done by repair facilities that did not precisely follow the Boeing Structural Repair Manual. I know the airlines are cautious about having the manufacturer do these type repairs. Perfect work without any shortcuts, expensive (I have heard 2 to 3x what a competent third party might charge) and, equally important to the airlines, quite slow in getting the plane back in the sky.