SU, UN, S7 and others will be banned from flying to Ukraine from 25/10
Sep 25, 2015, 10:44 am
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SU, UN, S7 and others will be banned from flying to Ukraine from 25/10
Ukraine officials announced today that about 25 Russian airlines, including Aeroflot, Transaero and S7 will be banned from flying to Ukraine from October 25. UTAir (UT) is the only major Russian airline not in the list.
Russian officials are expected to come with a similar measure, banning Ukraine International (PS) and possibly other Ukrainian airlines from flying into Russia.
Russian officials are expected to come with a similar measure, banning Ukraine International (PS) and possibly other Ukrainian airlines from flying into Russia.
Sep 26, 2015, 5:45 am
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Ukraine officials announced today that about 25 Russian airlines, including Aeroflot, Transaero and S7 will be banned from flying to Ukraine from October 25. UTAir (UT) is the only major Russian airline not in the list.
Russian officials are expected to come with a similar measure, banning Ukraine International (PS) and possibly other Ukrainian airlines from flying into Russia.
Russian officials are expected to come with a similar measure, banning Ukraine International (PS) and possibly other Ukrainian airlines from flying into Russia.
Sep 26, 2015, 6:06 am
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Sep 28, 2015, 1:32 am
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Sep 28, 2015, 9:59 am
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Sep 29, 2015, 9:10 am
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Now is mutual.
Russia bans Ukrainian airlines from using its airspace starting from Oct. 25
Source (Sept. 29, 2015, Interfax - Ukraine) :
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...25-398897.html
Russia bans Ukrainian airlines from using its airspace starting from Oct. 25
Source (Sept. 29, 2015, Interfax - Ukraine) :
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...25-398897.html
Sep 30, 2015, 5:04 pm
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Considering the United States now has an open skies agreement with Ukraine, it might be time for delta to resume JFK-KBP, ( with continuing service to SVO) or for United to restart IAD-DME ( with continuing service to KBP)
Yeah right
I'm sure the folks in Atlanta ( or Chicago) would if they could make it work. US airlines long for monopolies and exclusive rights. The irony....
Yeah right
I'm sure the folks in Atlanta ( or Chicago) would if they could make it work. US airlines long for monopolies and exclusive rights. The irony....
Oct 1, 2015, 4:05 pm
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One can dream. Its a money making opportunity for a non Ukranian or Russian carrier to do 5th Freedom. ( short flight, plenty of demand)
Ukraine has open skies agreements with the US and EU. The Russian authorities on the other hand...oh well.
Ukraine has open skies agreements with the US and EU. The Russian authorities on the other hand...oh well.
Oct 12, 2015, 8:53 am
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UTair will now also be included in the ban starting Oct. 25:
http://www.rbc.ru/business/12/10/201...928a?from=main
http://www.rbc.ru/business/12/10/201...928a?from=main
Oct 13, 2015, 2:30 pm
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I like B2. Just hate that there's no SkyTeam earning possibilities (yet) through it. I am watching news in Belarus closely to see if they might take advantage of the chance to ease up on the transiting rules through MSQ. From SVO to Kiev/Lviv/Dnepropetrovsk would be great for me. They have said they might increase the number of flights to Kiev but without some considerations for transiting more easily that won't help.
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Oct 15, 2015, 3:47 am
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I got caught in this massive wave of ......... I found out about it 12 hours ago, 12 hours before I depart from Russia for Kiev and I return to Russia to catch an intercontinental after the ban starts.
They just flat out cancelled my return flight.
They are offering me a 30% refund for cancelling half my flight. -or- full refund before departure. But I don't have any options because I have to get out due to visa running out.
Options presented to me are:
1. They will cancel half my ticket and give me a 30% refund. Nice of them.
2. They will cancel all of my ticket and strand me in Russia with my visa expiring, and then I'll be dealing with Russian immigration in about 24 hours.
3. If I pay the change fee plus fare difference for a last minute ticket, they will book me on another carrier. So nice of them.
This sets a new low for my experiences with airlines.
As far as I understand it this is a violation of IATA rules. God knows how one can make them apply to Russia, but Aeroflot is a member of the IATA.
These are the rules:
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10.2 Cancellation, Changes of Schedule, etc.
If due to circumstances beyond its control Carrier cancels or delays a flight, is unable to provide previously confirmed space, fails to stop at a passenger's stopover or destination point, or causes the passenger to miss a connecting flight an which the passenger holds a reservation, Carrier shall either:
10.2.1 carry the passenger an another of its scheduled passenger services an which space is available; or
10.2.2 reroute the passenger to the destination indicated on the ticket or applicable portion thereof by its own scheduled services or the scheduled services of another carrier, or by means of surface transportation. If the sum of the fare, excess baggage charge and any applicable service charge for the revised routing is higher than the refund value of the ticket or applicable portion thereof, Carrier shall require no additional fare or charge from the passenger,
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It's their responsibility to rebook me on another airline, and to charge me a change fee and fare difference after cancelling the ticket is really against the rules.
Anyone know where I need to take this to escalate?
They just flat out cancelled my return flight.
They are offering me a 30% refund for cancelling half my flight. -or- full refund before departure. But I don't have any options because I have to get out due to visa running out.
Options presented to me are:
1. They will cancel half my ticket and give me a 30% refund. Nice of them.
2. They will cancel all of my ticket and strand me in Russia with my visa expiring, and then I'll be dealing with Russian immigration in about 24 hours.
3. If I pay the change fee plus fare difference for a last minute ticket, they will book me on another carrier. So nice of them.
This sets a new low for my experiences with airlines.
As far as I understand it this is a violation of IATA rules. God knows how one can make them apply to Russia, but Aeroflot is a member of the IATA.
These are the rules:
--------
10.2 Cancellation, Changes of Schedule, etc.
If due to circumstances beyond its control Carrier cancels or delays a flight, is unable to provide previously confirmed space, fails to stop at a passenger's stopover or destination point, or causes the passenger to miss a connecting flight an which the passenger holds a reservation, Carrier shall either:
10.2.1 carry the passenger an another of its scheduled passenger services an which space is available; or
10.2.2 reroute the passenger to the destination indicated on the ticket or applicable portion thereof by its own scheduled services or the scheduled services of another carrier, or by means of surface transportation. If the sum of the fare, excess baggage charge and any applicable service charge for the revised routing is higher than the refund value of the ticket or applicable portion thereof, Carrier shall require no additional fare or charge from the passenger,
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It's their responsibility to rebook me on another airline, and to charge me a change fee and fare difference after cancelling the ticket is really against the rules.
Anyone know where I need to take this to escalate?
Last edited by nihonto; Oct 15, 2015 at 4:05 am