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GrayAnderson Jun 16, 2020 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32461892)
Doing the four stars is countervailing pressure and pushback against the mask policy. I guess collateral damage just like there is tremendous collateral damage from the government ordered lockdowns. If I was able to reach out to Uber/Lyft with my concerns and questions BEFORE requesting a ride and get questions and concerns addressed by someone in customer service then the pushback as I described may not be necessary.

Furthermore I consider the rating system at least with Uber (not so sure about Lyft) of 1 to 5 stars with only 5 being satisfactory to be perverse. I think 5 should be outstanding/excellent, 4 very good/superior 3 satisfactory/average 2 subpar/less than satisfactory 1 totally unsatisfactory/major fail. Sort of like equivalent to grades in school. In school, especially college students are not normally put on academic probation unless their grade point average drops below a "C". And then the student is given so much time to improve. I think Uber (and Lyft) should adopt the same mindset and not consider anything below top score to be unsatisfactory and worthy of termination.

I wonder is it possible for a rider to simply decline to rate the driver?

I get frustration with X, Y, or Z policy. I (generally*) don't get taking out frustration with front-line employees who are simply following company policy.

There are three issues that Uber/Lyft would have trying to pair masked/maskless drivers and riders. The first is dealing with wait times (remember, the company models are based on a prompt arrival time for your ride; splitting the field would invariably jam folks on one side of the divide or the other and you'd get complaints about that). The second is dealing with local health and safety mandates. The third is that there's a risk that you'd end up with a price disparity due to the modeling, and either riders or drivers would (as a result) feel pressure to go one way or another, and the optics on that would be hell.**

As to the rating system, what you described is about what it was when things started. The issue is that you soon saw a lot of pressure towards five-star ratings (538 did a piece studying average ratings, IIRC, which showed some heavy "grade inflation" over the first few years of the system) and so what resulted was the default. You can "not rate" a driver (just ignore the prompts and the system auto-completes within 24 hours or so), though I don't recall if you can "skip out" otherwise.

*The exceptions tend to involve "policies" that really aren't policies, or employees following a policy in the most malicious way possible.
**It's sort-of like how I'm surprised that nobody's ever seriously proposed solving the "employees must deal with the smoke as well" bit by proposing hazard pay...but, given the pay there, I think we can agree you would see effective pressures as a result of that as well.

nk15 Jun 16, 2020 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32448292)
What I plan to do is wear the mask. Put the mask on JUST before I get in the car. But I plan to rate any driver who does comply with the mask policy no greater than four (4) stars. If asked for feedback I'll say that I feel LESS safe when the driver wears a mask even though it is in compliance with Uber (or Lyft) stated policy.

(Bolding mine). If you send that feedback, they might de-activate your account.

Loose Cannon Jun 16, 2020 10:23 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 32462521)
(Bolding mine). If you send that feedback, they might de-activate your account.

Why? Retaliation? Is the leadership at Uber Communist? Expressing feedback that disputes the narrative that Uber buys into? Punishing Dissent?

nk15 Jun 16, 2020 10:46 pm


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32462640)
Why? Retaliation? Expressing feedback that disputes the narrative that Uber buys into? Punishing Dissent?

Because you are trying to punish the driver for following company policies and safety procedures. Essentially, you are attempting to coerce the driver (through the threat of a punitive rating) to behave unsafely, and risk their own health to please you. This probably violates some program rules.

Loose Cannon Jun 16, 2020 10:55 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 32462664)
Because you are trying to punish the driver for following company policies and safety procedures. Essentially, you are attempting to coerce the driver (through the threat of a punitive rating) to behave unsafely, and risk their own health to please you. This probably violates some program rules.

If I comply with the mask policy and don't discuss masks or the policy or ratings and maybe either talk about other stuff such as traffic or weather, etc. or don't carry on a conversation at all and just quietly do the rating and send the feedback afterward there really would be no coercion because in that case I would not have actually asked the driver to violate any policy. I would have just given negative feedback to the policy in the only way I know how that would not run foul of their community guidelines.

nk15 Jun 16, 2020 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32462677)
If I comply with the mask policy and don't discuss masks or the policy or ratings and maybe either talk about other stuff such as traffic or weather, etc. or don't carry on a conversation at all and just quietly do the rating and send the feedback afterward there really would be no coercion because in that case I would not have actually asked the driver to violate any policy. I would have just given negative feedback to the policy in the only way I know how that would not run foul of their community guidelines.

The company is not interested in your opinion about the policy of wearing masks, nor they solicited feedback about it. They have made their decision about mask use based on scientific public health data. Your rating is meant only to rate the driver on relevant issues, not to comment on policy. You are using your rating of individual drivers in an inappropriate way, for which it was not meant to be used. In fact, you penalize the driver for acting professionally, which may result in this driver being de-activated and lose their jobs, for the sole reason of being professional and following health requirements. They may also assume that you are trying to coerce the driver to act unsafely, either through talking about it (they don't know what you do in the car), or indirectly through the rating. Either way you are using the rating system inappropriately and unfairly to the driver, which may be grounds for account de-activation.

In other words, the rating system is not meant to be used for policy feedback, and it is tied to the driver's professional evaluation, and you are abusing the system if you treat it as a means for policy feedback.

fransknorge Jun 17, 2020 2:08 am


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32461867)
Driver wears mask passes out crashes. Like one guy in New Jersey did.

Source ?

innesst Jun 17, 2020 6:06 am


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32461867)
Driver wears mask passes out crashes. Like one guy in New Jersey did.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/driver-cra...ry?id=70346532

The mask in that crash was a N95 mask, which nobody should be wearing out in public. It is possible that wearing a N95 mask can lead to labored breathing in people with reduced lung function and cause a medical problem. If you are truly concerned about excess crash risk from an N95 mask, you shouldn't get in the car at all if they are wearing a N95 mask. How does rating someone lower after you have safely exited the car make you safer?

Wearing a cloth mask does not have a risk of reduced lung function. What is your concern with cloth masks?

Loose Cannon Jun 19, 2020 10:30 pm

First Uber Ride Post C19
 
Went on first Uber ride since the coronavirus scare. Wore Mask. Driver wore mask. Front window was open when driver arrived but driver put all windows up after I got in. I think that is contrary to what Uber wants but I did not argue as I wanted the A/C on. After the ride I saw there was an option to skip rating the driver so I took that option as I thought that would be fairest for all concerned given my personal views regarding mask policy as well as the rating system.

Do I risk any problems if I constantly decline to rate drivers?

nk15 Jun 19, 2020 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32470792)

Do I risk any problems if I constantly decline to rate drivers?

I doubt it, I think it is your right not to rate, if you do not want to. I have done it a few times when I was ambivalent about giving a bad rating.

innesst Jun 23, 2020 6:30 am


Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 32470792)
Do I risk any problems if I constantly decline to rate drivers?

No. I never rate at all.

DavidDTW Jun 28, 2020 9:02 am


Originally Posted by marksue (Post 32460944)
When i am driving again I hope i never get you in my car. We drivers are required to wear masks or we can be suspended from driving. You giving us 4 stars for following the rules and keeping you safe is idiotic. Stop being foolish and only thinking of yourself.

I had to use Uber yesterday for the first time since February. When the app confirmed my ride, it said the driver verified he will be wearing a mask. When he showed up, he was not and I saw no evidence of masks in his vehicle. This was the only car in the area so I took the ride, wearing my own mask. Is there some way to, or should I, report this? Other than giving him a poor rating on the app.

nk15 Jun 28, 2020 9:07 am


Originally Posted by DavidDTW (Post 32491486)
I had to use Uber yesterday for the first time since February. When the app confirmed my ride, it said the driver verified he will be wearing a mask. When he showed up, he was not and I saw no evidence of masks in his vehicle. This was the only car in the area so I took the ride, wearing my own mask. Is there some way to, or should I, report this? Other than giving him a poor rating on the app.

Yes, under "my trips", choose the trip, "help", "my driver was unprofessional" or similar category.

DavidDTW Jun 28, 2020 9:30 am


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 32491496)
Yes, under "my trips", choose the trip, "help", "my driver was unprofessional" or similar category.

Ha, I never realized you can tap those for more details! You learn something new everyday (and shows how often I actually use Uber!) Thanks.

knownothing Jun 28, 2020 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 32491496)
Yes, under "my trips", choose the trip, "help", "my driver was unprofessional" or similar category.

and definitely give a poor rating. I believe you can even request a refund as they are guaranteeing their drivers wear masks


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