QR Airspace
#16
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My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
#17
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Thanks for the article. I do wonder how much of it was the Gulf states saw no need (as they did not have airlines of their own at that time?) to reallocate airspace versus the ease of convenience for western powers (i.e airlines) that in the shadows ensured a proper allocation of airspace should not occur.
#18
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Your first picture leaves me perplexed.
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
QR overflies Syria normally now, still through the main corridors shown.
#19
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So it seems the FAA has issued restrictions to all US carriers from flying over Iraqi and Iranian airspace as well as the Persian gulf and the gulf of Oman.
https://thehill.com/policy/transport...mpression=true
Obviously, this doesn’t apply to QR, but it is still quite troubling. Without Iraq, Iran, the Persian gulf, and the gulf of Oman, and with the blockade still in effect, QR would essentially cease its ability to operate, correct?
Further, just based on checking Flightaware, seemed todays’s QR704 from JFK was flying smack dab through northern Iraq as Iranian missles we’re hitting an Iraqi base housing US forces outside of Irbil. I don’t mean to sound over-panicked, but let’s really hope it settles down out there.
https://thehill.com/policy/transport...mpression=true
Obviously, this doesn’t apply to QR, but it is still quite troubling. Without Iraq, Iran, the Persian gulf, and the gulf of Oman, and with the blockade still in effect, QR would essentially cease its ability to operate, correct?
Further, just based on checking Flightaware, seemed todays’s QR704 from JFK was flying smack dab through northern Iraq as Iranian missles we’re hitting an Iraqi base housing US forces outside of Irbil. I don’t mean to sound over-panicked, but let’s really hope it settles down out there.
#20
Join Date: Jun 2018
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Posts: 75
Breaking news, Ukrainian Airlines flight with 180 people crashed minutes after take off from Teheran. If it will be not confirmed to be caused by technical difficulties it will be a even worse news for Qatar . I would not fly now over Iran and Iraq with misses around
Last edited by Luca Suomi; Jan 7, 2020 at 9:33 pm
#21
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Looking on Flightradar right now, many flights are operating over Iraq and Iran.
So I guess American operated airlines aren't allowed to fly in this airspace- how does the ban apply to other airlines?
I'm concerned as well that Qatar will be effectively grounded should this escalate.
Based in Doha and really hoping right now that the Qatari / Iraqi friendship continues!
So I guess American operated airlines aren't allowed to fly in this airspace- how does the ban apply to other airlines?
I'm concerned as well that Qatar will be effectively grounded should this escalate.
Based in Doha and really hoping right now that the Qatari / Iraqi friendship continues!
#22
Join Date: Dec 2002
Programs: QR Plat
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Looking on Flightradar right now, many flights are operating over Iraq and Iran.
So I guess American operated airlines aren't allowed to fly in this airspace- how does the ban apply to other airlines?
I'm concerned as well that Qatar will be effectively grounded should this escalate.
Based in Doha and really hoping right now that the Qatari / Iraqi friendship continues!
So I guess American operated airlines aren't allowed to fly in this airspace- how does the ban apply to other airlines?
I'm concerned as well that Qatar will be effectively grounded should this escalate.
Based in Doha and really hoping right now that the Qatari / Iraqi friendship continues!
-A
#24
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It looks like QR is filling up two airwys to the northwest out of Doha and are limiting their routes at least. I did a quick look on FR24 and it seems most carriers are giving Iran/Iraq a wide berth this morning, with Scoot's SIN-TXL being the absolute winner in odd routings. I doubt the passengers there planned taking in their sunrise over Cairo.
-A
-A
Lots can happen between now and Feb and hopefully things will have calmed down by then.
#27
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Another one keeping an eye on this, due to fly Manchester to Delhi via Doha on QR in 2 weeks.... Can't say I'm thrilled by the prospect right now and with BA and others already avoiding the airspace that doesn't help. Luckily it's a fully refundable booking, however I'd imagine the other options will be much more costly.
#28
Join Date: Jun 2018
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While many countries banned Iranian and Iraqi air space Qatar is still flying there since has not much alternatives. But after the Malaysian plane was destroyed by a Russian missle in Ukraine few years ago I find it insane to fly with missiles around. The IATA should force the countries blocking Qatar to open their air space at least until the situation will not improve, meanwhile I won’t fly Qatar or any airline flying over a war zone.
Furthermore now the Ukrainian authorities are not anymore sure it was a technical problem, one engine failing immediately after take off with the pilots not able to regain control of the plane is quite a terrifying possibility, since the plane was only 3 years old, I hope there is not the possibility of such a technical failure leading to a crash in few minutes.
Furthermore now the Ukrainian authorities are not anymore sure it was a technical problem, one engine failing immediately after take off with the pilots not able to regain control of the plane is quite a terrifying possibility, since the plane was only 3 years old, I hope there is not the possibility of such a technical failure leading to a crash in few minutes.
#29
Join Date: Dec 2002
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While many countries banned Iranian and Iraqi air space Qatar is still flying there since has not much alternatives. But after the Malaysian plane was destroyed by a Russian missle in Ukraine few years ago I find it insane to fly with missiles around. The IATA should force the countries blocking Qatar to open their air space at least until the situation will not improve, meanwhile I won’t fly Qatar or any airline flying over a war zone.
Furthermore now the Ukrainian authorities are not anymore sure it was a technical problem, one engine failing immediately after take off with the pilots not able to regain control of the plane is quite a terrifying possibility, since the plane was only 3 years old, I hope there is not the possibility of such a technical failure leading to a crash in few minutes.
-A
#30
Join Date: Dec 2014
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Posts: 270
Spent two hours watching the moving map whilst in Iraqi airspace almost directly over Baghdad and Erbil this morning on QR3, just waiting to reach Turkey.
Probably paranoia but it didn't feel right.
Probably paranoia but it didn't feel right.