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Old Jan 24, 19, 2:03 am
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Originally Posted by Ben_W View Post
Had family taking the route again last week and again both flights were pretty much full in economy.
A friend of mine flew out between Christmas and new year and then back last week. He said both flights were pretty full.

I hope the flight is here to stay.
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Old Mar 2, 19, 2:34 pm
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165 pax per flight in Jan.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by bmibaby737 View Post
165 pax per flight in Jan.
is that good or bad?
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Old Mar 4, 19, 6:28 am
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6614 passengers flew in January with a load factor of 65%.

By comparison, Birmingham had 188 per flight and a LF of 74%. Not a great difference, though BHX did run daily and CWL only five times a week.

We'll have to see how the route pans out. Luckily for CWL, the load factors haven't been that bad with both summer and the Christmas/ New Year period having quite reasonable loads. This means it's likely to stay as a route until at least the World Cup in 2022.

The route also seems like one ideal for the A321LR which Qatar has coming next year.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by celtic_warrior View Post
is that good or bad?
umm - not brilliant but not absolutely terrible.
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Old Mar 19, 19, 1:03 am
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I think what stands out is they seem to be getting an ok / respectable load factor without seeming to be price dumping. Iíve not noticed any stunning deals on either economy or biz class travel (rather annoyingly!), as Iím sat here primed ready to snap the up.
I think this is a route that will continue to see slow and steady improvement.
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Old Mar 19, 19, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by celtic_warrior View Post
is that good or bad?
slightly less than two-thirds full, on average...

...that's pretty bad, particularly as the average yields are unlikely to compensate for low seat occupancy. Of course, we have only anecdotal statistics of occupancy by cabin.

I think his HE even expressed unhappiness with the way the route is developing.
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Old Mar 19, 19, 6:40 am
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I think initially , the problem they had was due to uncertainty re the exact dates for departure. That is now solved . IMO people, certainly the target market for CWL, like to book their holidays in advance. As the route is now more established people are able to book their annual holiday. I was on the inaugural flight which was packed on the way out, but my return flight had 30 pax max. Subsequent flights were much busier.

As others have said, there hasn't been any real sale deals from CWL to entice customers. I would also say that , if I was flying paid business class, I would use LHR , with it's superb lounge as opposed to the relatively simple offerings at CWL.

My next flight with QR from CWL is in 3 weeks so we shall see.
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Old Apr 2, 19, 6:23 am
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so do we have the figures for February?
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Old Apr 12, 19, 6:44 pm
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Numbers out for February.

5435 used the route in total and it operated on 20 days out of the 28 in the month. That works out at 136 per flight or an load factor of of 54%.

I'd still argue the route is a prime one for the A321LR in the winter season.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:38 pm
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I'd still argue the route is a prime one for the A321LR in the winter season.

..... or for binning .
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Old Apr 13, 19, 10:49 pm
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Surely this route will get canned in the not too distant - there just aren't enough pax using it! (unless cargo/other factors are keeping it afloat?)
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Old Apr 14, 19, 1:16 am
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Surely this route will get canned in the not too distant - there just aren't enough pax using it! (unless cargo/other factors are keeping it afloat?)
Or until the Welsh government subsidy runs out?
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Old Apr 14, 19, 2:49 am
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Or until the Welsh government subsidy runs out?
Ha! Yes, I suspected there might well be government cash involved
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Old Apr 14, 19, 4:51 am
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Or until the Welsh government subsidy runs out?
It'll probably limp along until they find a better route on which to employ the aircraft. You'd hope it's at least covering its direct operating costs ... but who knows?

Which given the size of the fleet, and the barrel-scraping they've been doing in designating routes, might take some time
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