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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:48 am
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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Sep 17, 2017, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by iMeMoz
Hi, I have HEL-DOH-DXB flights in october. I have called 3 times to Qatar airways. It seems like "HUACA" doesn't work anymore. They are just offering rerouting via Kuwait, HEL-DOH-KWI-DXB. Originally I would have arrived in dubai 22:15, but via kuwait next day morning 05:10. I got these tickets really cheaply, so I wouldn't like to get refunded.. Do you know, will they give any better flights 72h prior the departure.
I think KWI is one of the best options considering their new policy and the flight time is one of the shortest. I was given BEY on first leg and IST on second, adding approx 10-12 hours extra to each journey. Same here, I bought ticket super cheap and do not want to cancel it so will just make sure to drink lots of champagne in the lounge to make up for it.
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Old Sep 18, 2017, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by Amame
I think KWI is one of the best options considering their new policy and the flight time is one of the shortest. I was given BEY on first leg and IST on second, adding approx 10-12 hours extra to each journey. Same here, I bought ticket super cheap and do not want to cancel it so will just make sure to drink lots of champagne in the lounge to make up for it.
I keep hearing going via MCT instead of KWI is a much better transit experience than KWI. If given the option ask about going via MCT.
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Old Sep 18, 2017, 4:36 pm
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Just heard that QR terminated the employment of their entire KSA/BAH/UAE and Egypt workforce yesterday.

They probably see this dragging out longer than expected....
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Old Sep 18, 2017, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by ASUDan130
I keep hearing going via MCT instead of KWI is a much better transit experience than KWI. If given the option ask about going via MCT.
It certainly is. Shorter flight time and much better airport at MCT, but I am not sure if they are still giving that option for the new reroute request. We flew last week to Doha via EY/QR and it was a jam pack at MCT airport.
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Old Sep 18, 2017, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by TGflyergirl
Just heard that QR terminated the employment of their entire KSA/BAH/UAE and Egypt workforce yesterday.

They probably see this dragging out longer than expected....
Boooo! I understand the business rationale. However, once things improve (I am being optimistic ), how fast could they ramp up operations?
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by TGflyergirl
Just heard that QR terminated the employment of their entire KSA/BAH/UAE and Egypt workforce yesterday.

They probably see this dragging out longer than expected....
I feel sorry for the employees, but there is obviously not much for them to do in those stations. Yeah, looks like dragging out longer than most of us originally hoped.
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 12:40 am
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Minor correction: It's airport staff only, not other functions - KSA was 70 headcount, 25 in BAH and what could be similar amounts in UAE and Egypt.
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by Amame
It certainly is. Shorter flight time and much better airport at MCT, but I am not sure if they are still giving that option for the new reroute request. We flew last week to Doha via EY/QR and it was a jam pack at MCT airport.
MCT is a dump. Yes, transit is easy but the lounges are poor & usually jam packed. I did this last week & will stop via KWI next time.

If only the new terminal at MCT was open. Supposedly will be by end 2017
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 9:14 am
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Its not good news out of Doha!!!!

Supermarkets have run out of Tonic Water!!!!!!!!!

Not a drop to be had in the city. This is getting worse!!!! :P
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 9:48 am
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Its not good news out of Doha!!!!

Supermarkets have run out of Tonic Water!!!!!!!!!

Not a drop to be had in the city. This is getting worse!!!! :P
As long as there's still Gin

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Old Sep 19, 2017, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Amame
It certainly is. Shorter flight time and much better airport at MCT, but I am not sure if they are still giving that option for the new reroute request. We flew last week to Doha via EY/QR and it was a jam pack at MCT airport.
The new MCT airport should open in a couple months and should be a beautiful facility. If you are flying towards the end of the year I would definitely fly MCT as I am sure the lounges especially will be fantastic at the new airport.
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 9:08 pm
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The new MCT airport should open in a couple months and should be a beautiful facility. If you are flying towards the end of the year I would definitely fly MCT as I am sure the lounges especially will be fantastic at the new airport.
Yep, it looks great from the outside & am sure will be nicely polished inside - although, unfortunately, new airport openings do have a habit of being delayed
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 12:36 am
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Bought 2 tickets in F CAI-DOH-BKK r/t at the sale earlier this year. The return on the first trip was 2 days after the ban on DOH-CAI flights and was offered refund or re-routing through KWI. On my own suggestion was re-routed DOH-AMM-CAI on RJ. RJ flights OK as previous experiences, AMM RJ sub-par IMHO.

Now for the second trip, again offered refund OR re-route to CAI-IST-DOH-BKK r/t. As RJ through AMM obviously not was no longer on the approved list, I suggested BEY with CAI-BEY//BEY-CAI on ME, which was approved. So, now spending a night in BEY, actually some 21h. My previous BEY visit was a million years ago, with no airline status, flying cheapest economy, so no previous lounge experience.

On the ME website, the lounge alternatives are described as:

The departure area of the terminal features two exclusive lounges – the Middle East Airlines Cedar Lounge and Beirut Lounge

Priority Pass lists both of these and also the LAT Lounge. All three seem to be located on 2nd floor directly right after passport control, enabling a possible lounge-hopping. Are all three worth visits? Any of them worth spending more time in, besides the quick drink visit? Should I maximize BEY city stay instead?

Thanks in advance for suggestions/advice
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 1:06 am
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Originally Posted by NoY
Yep, it looks great from the outside & am sure will be nicely polished inside - although, unfortunately, new airport openings do have a habit of being delayed
Indeed, 'end of year' opening should have finished the statement with 'inshallah'
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by SullyofDoha

Indeed, 'end of year' opening should have finished the statement with 'inshallah'
Your post reminds me of Magenta Devine's Rough Guide to Cairo when, sitting in a felucca on the River Nile, she says - 'Inshallah - translation: you should be so lucky'.
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