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Qatar Airways - UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace

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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by msm2000uk View Post
Please review my other comments in this thread for the answer.

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Rather unhelpful as your other comments are in regard to OT posts however I'm going to call tomorrow anyway as I'm going to DXB and airspace will be closed to QR by time I depart. It would've been helpful if the rep had told me when to call back earlier on tbh.

This entire thing has obviously caught QR (and everyone else) by surprise but their lack of communication from them leaves a lot to be desired for a top airline.
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingSalami View Post
Rather unhelpful as your other comments are in regard to OT posts however I'm going to call tomorrow anyway as I'm going to DXB and airspace will be closed to QR by time I depart. It would've been helpful if the rep had told me when to call back earlier on tbh.

This entire thing has obviously caught QR (and everyone else) by surprise but their lack of communication from them leaves a lot to be desired for a top airline.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28404900-post181.html
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingSalami View Post

This entire thing has obviously caught QR (and everyone else) by surprise but their lack of communication from them leaves a lot to be desired for a top airline.
QR has never faced this kind of situation before, and they also have regional and even local developments to consider before doing or saying things. Standby until directly impacted seems to be rather typical behavior for airlines in general, no matter how "top" or "bottom" the carrier may be.
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by tboons View Post
Flying off tomorrow. called the priority line in Doha, given the option of refund or rescheduled. Didnt give me the option of switching to other carriers which i would have taken!

as of now, i have reroute from CAI-DOH-MIA to AMM-DOH-MIA on 6th June. I hope that there will be an interline agreement between QR and RJ such that i do not have to exit the transit area. visa is required for me!
It sounds like that, based on their policy for rebooking to the closest airport mentioned earlier, ex-Egypt flights may be moved to AMM? AMM seems indeed the closest airport to CAI. Unless Jordan blocks them too, of course.

Does anyone know if they may allow dropping the first/last segment as well and departing/arriving in DOH instead?
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:27 am
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DOH screens show Saudi and Bahrain all marked as cancelled. Dubai still showing as flying...

Anyone joining me on QR1088 to KWI this evening?
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:32 am
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I read just now on another forum that the Chicago Convention forbids signatories to deny overflight rights and it specifically mentioned the UAE and Bahrain as saying they would not deny overflight rights. Anybody heard this ?
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by tmac100 View Post
And your published source is? All travel between where and where? Please be specific instead of just making statements with no specific information.

Thank you!

As a Canadian living in Qatar, I for one would like to know what you are saying.
all qatar airways staff travel is cancelled. The source is qatar staff. This is because they fear that once they leave they may not be able to return.
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by meni0n View Post
Due to fly PHL-DOH-BKK next month. Just checked the route for QR728 and it's going through Syria and Iraq? is that even possible since Syria is a war zone? I don't really want to fly with my kids over that.
No. AFAIK QR doesn't fly with passenger jets over Iraq or Syria. They fly either South via Egypt and Saudi Arabia, a route they'll can forget about now or North via Iran and Turkey.

If you want to see the exact flown route, go to flightradar24. Flightaware usually shows only the shortest route between two airports.

I would imagine that you'll be in the air for longer if QR has to fly around the air space of the coalition. Worst of are probably flights to Africa and South America.
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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by Bluebrummie2000 View Post
DOH screens show Saudi and Bahrain all marked as cancelled. Dubai still showing as flying...

Anyone joining me on QR1088 to KWI this evening?
Missed you by a couple of hours - went to KWI on QR1070 this morning. Onboard crew didn't have a clue about what was going on so I had to bring them up to speed; poor guys looked genuinely perplexed. Station manager at KWI was waiting on the jet bridge and the moment the door opened, he went up to the chief cabin manager and asked "What the Hell is happening in Doha?"

Yikes. Safe flight - see you in Kuwait!

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Old Jun 5, 17, 9:44 am
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I read just now on another forum that the Chicago Convention forbids signatories to deny overflight rights and it specifically mentioned the UAE and Bahrain as saying they would not deny overflight rights. Anybody heard this ?
UAE GCAA has today issued SD1/2017 stating that all aircraft registered in Qatar may not fly to, from or through UAE airspace effective from 0000UTC/0400LT on 06JUN17 and all aircraft registered in the UAE may not operate direct or indirect flights to/from Qatar from the same time.
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No. AFAIK QR doesn't fly with passenger jets over Iraq or Syria. They fly either South via Egypt and Saudi Arabia, a route they'll can forget about now or North via Iran and Turkey.

If you want to see the exact flown route, go to flightradar24. Flightaware usually shows only the shortest route between two airports.

I would imagine that you'll be in the air for longer if QR has to fly around the air space of the coalition. Worst of are probably flights to Africa and South America.


Ok thanks that might clear it up. The flight just left and it's already about an hour behind probably to new route. I'll keep following it today and see where it goes. Hope they adjust all the times since my connection layover to BKK would have been 1hr 45 mins and if they add on more than an hour to the flight, I will definitely miss that connection.
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There is a rumor mentioned in a blog discussion citing internal sources that QR may ground all flights on Thursday. Hopefully just a rumor. Let's hope they don't go bankrupt and we lose our money.
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There is a rumor mentioned in a blog discussion citing internal sources that QR may ground all flights on Thursday. Hopefully just a rumor. Let's hope they don't go bankrupt and we lose our money.
If thats the case, think it really would confirm the previous poster's comment about being totally blocked by KSA & Bahrain's FIRs throughout the gulf.
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Old Jun 5, 17, 10:11 am
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There is a rumor mentioned in a blog discussion citing internal sources that QR may ground all flights on Thursday. Hopefully just a rumor. Let's hope they don't go bankrupt and we lose our money.
Bankruptcy is not a possibility. Not when your parent company is a mega-rich petro-state.
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Originally Posted by meni0n View Post
Ok thanks that might clear it up. The flight just left and it's already about an hour behind probably to new route. I'll keep following it today and see where it goes.
You don't need to follow the current flight. Just check out the historic flights

This is yesterday
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...qr728/#d9e9e90

You can see how the flight crossed the Mediterranean Sea and flew through Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory. I suspect that they'll have to fly north now and possibly adding more air time.

You can check the previous flights as well. IIRC the last 7 days are for free. For a more complete list, you'll need a paid subscription to FR24.
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